Asylum seekers.

[funkymoped]

there is a section in the local newspaper, stating that "Sandwell" is moving hundreds of asylum seekers out of its properties and giving these houses/flats to local people..

its about time logic was stronger than P.C. i have no problem with real asylum seekers, but its all gotten out of hand.

there is light at the end of the tunnel !!!!

[ELVIS68]

And I`m sick to the back teeth of people who have their heads so far up their own arses that all they can do is hold up the race card everytime someone dares speak about asylum seekers and illegal immigrants

What you don`t seem to get is that there are also thousands and thousands and THOUSANDS of illegals in this country, why should we take anymore in?

Just because people get pissed off with the situation and says something about it ,all you do-gooders hold up the race card, so if you think we are all racists then that`s fine by me.

I for one certainly won`t lose any sleep over it

[noxlumos]

Elvis, you're just sick of people who disagree with you and provide you with checkable facts that you choose to ignore which disprove your own strange inaccurate ideas about asylum seekers and immigration. I haven't called you a racist, there would be no point as doubtless you object equally to anyone who is "foreign" entering your country, I wouldn't imagine it matters to you about their race as such, just that they are non British. I don't have "my head up my arse", nor am I a "do gooder", I'm simply aware that we need a huge influx of people ( race immaterial) to keep this country afloat down the line. There are more Brits sprawled cross the world than there are immigrants here and we need people and we need them fast or your precious country really will collapse. Try reading a decent paper, don't take my word for it.

[ELVIS68]

Noxlumos, I have nothing against people who wish to live in this country and pay their way,what I am against is the thousands of free-mongers who come here for no reason other than to take the piss out of it.

I suppose all the facts and figures given to us on the News, and the programmes about illegals sneaking into this country are fictitious then ?

And for the record, I read the Racing Post ...your call

[JudgeJ]

I�ll try not to get too carried away, noxlumus, but please explain to me why it is that we need "a huge influxe of people to keep this country afloat...." today when this was not always the case.

It is within the recollection of many people still alive today that foreign workers were virtually unheard of in Britain. Despite this, the country still kept afloat. There are large numbers of the �indigenous� (for want of a better word) population of Britain who, whilst quite able to, have no intention of doing anything whatsoever to support themselves or their families throughout their entire lives. Of course any government worth its salt would do its best to ensure that this situation does not prevail. However, for reasons I�m sure we can all guess, no government of any hue has decided to tackle this head on.

Without bringing race into the issue (for it is not relevant) the influx of cheap labour into this country has provided the ideal opportunity to perpetuate the situation where over a million people sit on their backsides all their lives, complaining that foreigners have taken away all �their� jobs (which they never had and never wanted).

I have no figures to hand (and I know you like supporting evidence rather than plain ranting and raving) but I have a suspicion that the number of people living on benefits has increased considerably as the eligibility for those benefits has become less stringent and their levels have risen.

There are wide-ranging arguments over whether incomers provide a net benefit or deficit the nation�s overall resources � far too complex to enter into here. I�m just concerned that people are fooled into believing such an influx is strictly necessary.

[sponsmith]

Why can't the UN get together and find an un-inhabited island for the worlds asylum seekers?
Each member country could throw in a few quid a year and let them get on with it.
Every aslyum seeker who arrives at our ports and borders could be instantly transported there.
Job done.
If these people were that desperate to flee persecution they should be eternally grateful for the sanctuary.
BTW, has anyone ever heard of a failed asylum seeker who's been deported back to their country of origin suffering torture or death? No...nor have i!
Also, i know several people who have come to this country seeking asylum. As each one of them has been given permanent leave to stay they start returning to their homeland for holidays!
We must be mad!

[sp1814]

Okay...I'm going to put it as plainly as I can...you remember the baby boom in the 50s? Well that generation will be heading towards retirement very soon...there are not enough people of working age to support those and the generations after them going into retirement.

This is why immigration is needed to fund those people.

It's a simple calculation. I was listening to an interview on Radio Four a few weeks back. It's scary...it's why the govenment are proposing to raise the retirement age.

Immigrants come into the country, work for a few years, paying taxes and being abused by ignoramuses who read the Daily Mail....make a few bob, then go back home.

The money that they pay in taxes go towards funding our hospitals, schools and pensions.

This happens because the vast majority of casual labour immigrants are young unskilled people from the expanded common market.

Sorry if this drives a truck through your argument, but it's true. If you want, you should go to the Department of Education and Employment's website and look at the figures.

"All these people coming here an feeding off our benefits..." Its a load of hogwash.

And yeah, it's racist. Sorry but that's what it is. Racist claptrap.

[sp1814]

One other thing...just because someone claims not be be racist, doesn't mean they're not racist.

I can spot one a mile off. 80% of people I come across are non-racist, non-sexist and non-homophobic.

But believe me, I can sniff a racist out like dirty washing...they're more obvious than the London Eye.

[sp1814]

Sponsmith

First of all, the island idea is dumber than a roomful of supermodels.

Secondly, I'm not aware of any internation papers called 'Failed Asylum Seekers' Fates Weekly'.

It's not like the Nigeria government (for example) is going to publish details of what happens to the failed asylum seekers who are returned.

It ain't like The X Factor y'know.

Jeez...

[sponsmith]

You know its true.
Thats the sad thing with you trendies, you know what i'm saying is true but you just don't want to admit it.
Maybe we should try to kick you Guardian reading morons out with all these foreign spongers.
Would certainly make for a happier more courteous country.

[noxlumos]

Judge J, sp has pretty much covered everything I was going to state so I'll not bother repeating his post, but that's the gist of it. Simple maths really.

sponsmith,can I have some of what you're on please, I could do with being able to pretend reality doesn't exist? Please tell me you're having a laugh, or was the island suggestion your intellect keenly attacking the problem as you see it in the best way you could think of? You might want to try reading the Guardian yourself or at least looking at the pictures, you might learn something and manage to elevate your intellect to that of "moron" like sp and myself.
Prat.

[gessoo]

Great that in a debate the only stars awarded recently have been to people who agree with the person who raised the question. Why bother to raise a question if you don't like opposition?

[gessoo]

And the idiotic posting about the island got two stars!!

[JudgeJ]

Well, noxlumus, my maths is very simple too. So simple that it does not provide an answer to the question �Who will fund the retirements of those extra people now being brought in, ostensibly, to fund the retirements of the Baby-Boomers�? Presumably they too will live ever longer along with the rest of the population.

If there are so many jobs waiting to be filled that we have to ship people in from abroad to fill them, why do we have almost one million people claiming �Jobseekers� Allowance�?

Sorry, but the argument does not hold water. The real answer is to get the people we already have here off their backsides and make them provide for themselves. If the country wants to allow people from other countries to "seek refuge" here, it should not deceive itself by suggesting that it is being done for the good of the nation.

[Pippa68]

What I want to know is:

if housing association/council housing is supposed to be 'for all who need it' then why can't I get one?

why did I have to move 200 miles away from my family in order to buy a house when the 'spare' council houses were handed over to immigrants?

why has my mother in law been told she isn't eligible for housing benefit, when she has worked since she was 15 years old and paid into the system and has now had to take a part time job due to health reasons (not ill enough for disability benefit). Yet a whole family can claim benefits simply because they arrive in the country?

No, I am not racist..but I can see why some people are. The needy are the needy..no matter what colour or creed. Why are some of us constantly ignored?

[unruliejulie]

hear hear pippa! We are no longer important !

[bakerboy]

Why should I pay money through taxes to fund the lifestyle of ANYONE who cant be bothered to find work/ use contraception/ contribute to society?

I don't mean the elderly or infirm, and that includes genuine asylum seekers, I mean the useless parasites who bleed the decent hard working people dry, drain the governments funds and deprive the truly needy of their right to a welfare state.

Anyone who chooses not to work, chooses to have a child without the means to support it, chooses to break the law, chooses to live illegally has also chosen to forfeit their right to be part of society. Those who contribute nothing but still expect everything are a waste of oxygen.

[noxlumos]

Before we continue this would anyone mind enlightening me as to where gessoo's post's have gone?Has someone reported them ( what for!!???) or is it a site glitch, as there has been a fair bit of reporting answers that people don't agree with lately on here which defeats the whole point of the site?

[unruliejulie]

yes, we agree Nox, i thought some had gone but i wasn't sure which. I don't think it is right to delete someones answer just because it is of a different opinion to mine. It could well, be a glitch though because the site hasn't run properly since the new "improvements"

[kepla]

This thread has got me so upset it is difficult to post a coherent answer. What I will say is that there is NO merit whatsoever intreating a foreigner or immigrant better than one would treat one's own countryman. This is supposed to be Britain, so the genuinely British should be properly housed and employed as a top priority. If there is one British person without accomodation then that is proof that one too many foreign immigrants have been allowed in. If there is one genuinely unemployed (not scrounger) British person then that is also proof that a foreign immigrant is here who should not be. Who am I to say ? A patriotic Brit with a cultural, social and family heritage rooted in this country. That gives me the right to say this. I am not racist. I can prove that I am not racist by the fact that there are immigrants of several different races, including the same race as myself, that we should remove fromthis country. I treat all races equally. Likewise, I would not discriminate against skin colour, religion, hair colour, eye colour, shoe size or whatever. All I am saying is that Britain should work as a whole for the benefit of all genuinely British people. Yes, I am a nationalist. I also believe that France should look after French people, China look after the Chinese, etc. Any attempt to mix people up into some ghastly sort of inter-racial inter-cultural soup can only end in tears.

[sp1814]

Kepla

Okay - so you're not a racist.

Thing about this situation then...you work in the housing department of a large inner city council. Two families come to you desperately needing accomodation...one family is white, born and bred in this country, the other is from Jamaica, but have British passports.

Are you saying that in ever case you would house the white family?

If you are, then are you saying that all non-white people will have to sleep in cardboard boxes until every white person is quite happy with their lot?

Can you see what's wrong with this picture?

I can.