Biden Finally Says It ...

[ichkeria]

https://www.semafor.com/article/12/12/2023/president-biden-says-us-wants-ukraine-to-win

Is this significant? Because he's never said it before.

[youngmafbog]

Who knows with President Biden.  Does he even know what day of the week it is?

[ichkeria]

There is a very negative take on it here, but frankly, I am not sure what people were expecting: an immediate reconvening of Congress?

And it has ignored the fact that Biden signed off 200 million for Ukraine - just like that.

As to the words, well, I agree that "who knows". But he said it, and he'll be held to it.

I did wince watching the White House press conference: Biden was muimbling from a script, while Zelensky was, well, Zelensky.

[Ellipsis]

> Is this significant? Because he's never said it before.

It could be, especially when you add what winning means:

> “We want to see Ukraine win the war,” Biden said at a news conference, adding that “winning means Ukraine is a sovereign, independent nation that can afford to defend itself today and deter further aggression.”

What's odd, though, is that if this was a news conference, as the quote says, then it wasn't reported very widely ...

[ichkeria]

Sorry: forgot the link:

Negative take here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67699957

 

[ynnafymmi]

Everyone in the world wants the Ukraine to win,bar one or two numpties.Putin made a major mistake and he cant withdraw from his war of aggression without being totally and utterly humiliated.What an eejit.

[Old_Geezer]

Biden says a lot of things. Earlier today I saw a video of him saying how it was a good thing for the US to get swamped by immigrants (although I think he softened his words when he said it). Can he be trusted at all ?

[Khandro]

At the beginning of the war both he and Boris said 'whatever it takes' but there's now a lot of shuffling of feet on endless financing, both in Congress and Parliament.

Putin doesn't mind that he's ruining his country for decades ahead, he's a nutter and will plow on squandering billions to save face. 

Unless he's removed and with Trump back in the White house, the future for Ukraine doesn't look promising I'm afraid.

[ichkeria]

I believe Trump is now saying if Russia doesn't do a deal with him he'll go all out for Ukraine.

Words.

The outlook for Ukraine is positive - we just need to be 

[anneasquith]

As has been shown recently if USA are on your side, you on to a winner .

[Togo]

Biden Finally Says It ...  He will have forgotten by tomorrow and by Friday think that he said he wants Putin to win. 

[tomus42]

Trump will abandon Ukraine if he gets the chance. He's a big fan of Putin, and hates Zelensky/Ukraine on the basis of nothing more than they wouldn't help him dig up dirt on Biden's son.

[youngmafbog]

//As has been shown recently if USA are on your side, you on to a winner//

Really?  Afghanistan and Vietnam spring to mind.

Mind you we all know what your sbnidy little dig was.

 

 

[youngmafbog]

Dont be rediculous tomus.

It would be good if the USA got right behind Ukraine, no ifs no buts and put an end to all the unecessary killing.

[Untitled]

how much can biden really do without congress? i hope they are able to rescue the aid package but the republicans have long resented having to oppose Putin because they admire him. 

[ichkeria]

What concerns me is the idea that  failure or success in Ukraine is being made an election issue for each party: The Democrats fear failure and the Republicans fear success! Crudely put, but there may be something in it.

I don't think btw that Trump loves Putin: Trump loves himself and anyone who flatters his ego: if he can be steered away from the blandishments that will inevitably come between now and any possible election ... There is a chance that if Biden was seen to fail militarily between now and then that he'd pointedly try to succeed. 
A lot of the anti Ukraine stuff from a minority of Republicans is posturing to appeal to Maga elements. Admittedly a lot is also staggering ignorance. The money America need spend is peanuts in its terms: what really matters is the type of weapons. 

[Khandro]

//the republicans have long resented having to oppose Putin because they admire him. //

Remember, you read it first, right here on AB folks! 😃

[Untitled]

it's true. lots of what putin says about gay/trans rights and the "decadent west" is very dear to the heart of many republicans. they like him. 

[naomi24]

^And you know this ... how, untitled?

[ichkeria]

Carrying on with this, good and bad things are happening in Europe: Tusk and Sikorsky are back in Poland and are already making clear their position. The EU is being held to ransom by Hungary - mainly - over its latest aid package: Orban wants billions for Hungary in exchange for his acquiescence. Germany is pleading weakness - possibly as an excuse for not delivering the Taurus missile system despite doubling its financial outlay - emphasising what I said about quality versus quantity. Britain and Norway have formed a maritime alliance in defence of Ukraine (nice but hardly a game  changer). On the other hand Britain is upping the production of its shell production at its factory in Washington 800% 

[ichkeria]

Republicans love Putin? I'd say that's untrue: there is a hardcore including Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene who you suspect are pretty close to traitorous - and the former God forbid is being touted as Trump's running mate. But a lot of the "hes a strong, God fearing heterosexual  leader" went out the window after Feb 2022. Russia on even the merest inspection is a basket case morally and socially. Suicides rates are drastically high, drug use is widespread, anyone who thinks homosexuality can be stamped out by repressive legislation is mad. Even church attendance per head of the population is lower than the UK.