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Nord Stream Sabotaged?

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FatticusInch | 13:52 Tue 27th Sep 2022 | News
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https://news.sky.com/story/kremlin-says-it-cant-rule-out-sabotage-after-mysterious-damage-to-russia-germany-gas-pipelines-prompts-warnings-12706208

As outlined in the story, who would benefit from carrying this out? No credible opinion forthcoming it seems.
Could Mad Vlad use it as a smokescreen to attack another neighbour? He is after all getting desperate it seems?

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Not sure who would gain by this.
NS-2 should be dynamited.
And NS-1 decommissioned as soon as it’s appropriate.
Getting trounced in Ukraine, abandoned by his allies and client states, I don’t think “mad Vlad” is in any fit state to attack anyone else just now
Well let's face it Putin is running out of excuses, the maintenance one has been running for some time.
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I wonder if the Yanks would have the pipeline under satellite monitoring during present circumstances anyway?
Long shot I know…..
Doesn’t it run under the sea?
Ships that shouldn't be in areas of the pipeline can still be seen.
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//Doesn’t it run under the sea?//

It does, but a tiny percentage is on land in several countries, hence that’s where I’m guessing the ‘sabotage’ occurred.
Anything underwater would suggest military involvement, no?
Gas and oil prices are falling at the moment.
After all that …
I thought the leaks were affecting the sea and therefore submarine?

If sabotage has occurred it’ll be the Russians.
From the BBC:

“Seismographs in Sweden and Denmark detected underwater explosions in the same area as the leaks found in the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, Bjorn Lund from Sweden's National Seismology Centre (SNSN) told public broadcaster SVT.

"There is no doubt that these were explosions," Lund said.

SVT reports that the first detected explosion was recorded at 02:03 and the second at 19:04 on Monday.

Ukrainian presidential advisor Mikhaylo Podolyak tweeted that leaks in the pipelines were likely to have been caused by a "terrorist attack" by Moscow.

Polish PM Mateusz Morawiecki called the leaks an act of sabotage.”
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Yes, having read the reports it appears that each act(or those reported on) are below the surface, hence it can only be military i.e. a submarine or depth charges?

Or is it just a case of poor Russian maintenance?
Even a former general recently claimed the nukes Putin has threatened to use are too old and poorly maintained.
“Or is it just a case of poor Russian maintenance? ”

Read the previous post …
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Exactly……but sabotage by who and for what purpose?
Unless Putin actually IS going to use it as an excuse?
But surely Russian subs are tracked the second they leave their pens?
Unless they used these?

https://news.usni.org/2021/11/30/russia-growing-secret-submarine-fleet-key-to-moscows-undersea-future
It doesn’t make much sense for anyone to blow these pipelines.
But someone appears to have
Can russia claim “force majeure” and continue to demand payment despite not delivering gas?
Seems very unlikely to me
I think its reached a point that any demand from Russia is like water off a ducks back. Threats and blackmail sometimes run out of steam. Who would now stick to any contract with Russia?
Yes they have majorly overplayed their hand
Medvedev said today that if Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine that Nato won't respond because they would be scared of retaliation on western cities. Even by his standards that is a pretty dumb thing to say. Both from a factual and a diplomatic point of view.
My own thinking is that Putin has played what cards he had and is now just left with the jokers. If anyone is going to be out in the cold this winter it will be him,others will get by hopfully.
" Apparently the US secret service CIA warned them weeks ago of possible attacks on the natural gas pipelines."^

"Experimentation was conducted off the coast of Bornholm, Denmark, with participants from Naval Information Warfare Center Pacific, Naval Undersea Warfare Center Newport, and Mine Warfare Readiness and Effectiveness Measuring all under the direction of U.S. 6th Fleet Task Force 68. "
https://seapowermagazine.org/baltops-22-a-perfect-opportunity-for-research-and-resting-new-technology/

Wonder if they noted anything.

More information
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswig-holstein/US-Navy-zeigt-Flagge-in-der-oestlichen-Ostsee,usnavy102.html ^
thx fatts for posting this - 220 posts on the 'let me stare at my belly-button' thread
( and then: "let me stare at it a bit more")

the Danes say it was blown up - but as we latinists ask: "cui bono?".

no one I can see gets an advantage, so is the message ( I go on asked myself) political - - as in
By wrecking the pipeline, it underlines the future. Life can never be the same.

[sort of depressing: in twenty years when people ask: why did putin wreck the European settlement of 80 y? answer: because he could]
Mein Gott - the US know everything. They apparently spent the week-end of 24 Feb assuring the Ukrainians
you are gonna be attacked you know
and zelensky's men said - we really dont think so

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