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Surely Even The More Ardent Brexiteer Understood That This Would Happen?

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sp1814 | 15:23 Tue 06th Sep 2022 | News
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When you're outside a trading bloc that you used to be inside, you're gonna have to pay tariffs for produce, goods and services.

Surely?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1664394/Wetherspoons-chief-reveals-Brexit-plan-to-aid-pubs
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davebro

...and if my granddad had wheels he'd be a bike.
Ahhh (wistful sigh), do we all remember the promises of the 2016 Leave campaign which promised a UK-US trade deal as one of the major prizes of Brexit?
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davebro

In what way did the EU lead us on?
The thread is about arch-Brexiteer Tim Martin throwing his toys out of the pram, because he sees our own Government as just as protectionist as the EU and he's not getting things his own way despite the fact that we have taken back control ...
It was all softly softly - just a bit more of this and a bit more of that a treaty here and a treaty there until we were embroiled in a political behemoth that we never believed in. De Gaulle was right to keep us out!
strange photo caption on that link

"Wetherspoon is UK's leading and oldest pub"

- anyone know what it means? (It looks like the Tower Hill one - significantly just outside the borders of the City)
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davebro

There's little point talking about 1973. we need to address what will happen in 2023 and the years after that.

Also, there's admittedly a huge amount of "I told you so" going on right now.

Project Fear turned into Project Pretty Accurate Really.
I thought it was the "Trip To Jerusalem" in Nottingham?
but who can really know
2016 Leave campaign which promised a UK-US trade deal as one of the major prizes of Brexit?

ah, the prime minister can promise.... whilst the proles starve

( there is something in French innit - Madame peut moulise and la peuple foubise and something else loo-leez)
Heath took Britain into the EEC in 1973
Thatcher signed the Single European Act in 1987
Major signed the Maastricht Treaty in 1992

EU membership was a Tory project all along. Labour's only contribution was Brown keeping Britain out of the euro.
I thought so too, davebro. But it isn't a Spoons pub as far as I know.

Probably just someone at the Express having a nap.
and Corbyn voted Leave!
he wasn't a prime minister at the time, unlilke the others
The end of the EU is coming soon, very soon.
//There are no tariffs or non-tariff barriers to trade between the members of the customs union and (unlike a free-trade area) members of the customs union impose a common external tariff on all goods entering the union.//

Correct.

//It's simply a benefit of being in a trading bloc, and a downside of being outside that bloc.//

Whether or not it's a benefit depends on whether the imposition of a particular tariff suits you or not. Unfortunately membership of the Customs Union consigns the members to a "basket" of tariffs, some may be beneficial, others may not.

//What is the point of a trading bloc that ratifies FTAs with third country?//

None at all - if all they want to do is trade amongst themselves.

//The point of a trading bloc is frictionless trade. Now we have friction-full trade.//

It's as full of friction as the EU wants to make it. And since the aim of the EU is principally to protect its members, trade with outsiders is discouraged (see your previous question, above).Normal countries do not behave like that. They encourage global trade, not just trade between themselves.

The pub is the Liberty Bounds, in Trinity Square, opposite the Tower of London:

https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/pubs/all-pubs/england/london/the-liberty-bounds-tower-of-london
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NJ

‘Normal countries’ impose trade tariffs.

Like the UK…

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-tariff-rate-quotas-2022
In one of TTT’s recent posts on this site in relation to the Brexit vote he said //that no one could tell us why we should remain//

Most of the things the remain camp claimed would happen if the UK was to leave the EU, have indeed happened – from the loss of billions of pounds worth of exports to the imposition of tariffs, and much more besides to the detriment of the UK.

Still, the mad people who continue to profess what a success Brexit is, continue to spout their nonsense on this site.
Funny why no one is prepared to step up & start a campaign to rejoin the EU when such a movement would have overwhelming support!

(and don't say - oh we'll never get good terms - because to me you should be in wholeheartedly & equal AND embrace the Euro as your currency or not be in at all)

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