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sandra4444 | 12:17 Mon 04th Apr 2022 | News
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I've just been reading on may home page that Moscow are seeking a special UN security council meeting to address the claims of committed atrocities. Surly they won't grant this world stage to listen to such utter garbage anymore.
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What is your ‘home page’?
Do they really want this?

What they will get is universal (well almost) condemnation.
They called a meeting recently to talk about alleged chemical and biological weapons in Ukraine and that went ... badly for them
Moscow Times
// Moscow has called for a special UN Security Council meeting Monday to address claims that Russian forces committed atrocities against Ukrainian civilians in Bucha, a town outside Kyiv.
"In the light of heinous provocation of Ukrainian radicals in #Bucha Russia requested a meeting of UN #SecurityCouncil on Monday April 4," Dmitry Polyanskiy, Russia's deputy ambassador to the United Nations, said Sunday on Twitter.
Ukraine and Western leaders have erupted in outrage over the discovery of mass graves and hundreds of dead people in Bucha, a small town northwest of Kyiv. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky directly blamed Moscow for the "killings" of civilians.
Russia denied the accusations and said Kyiv staged footage of the corpses.
A senior Washington official swiftly slammed Moscow's UN move and said it was designed to "feign outrage."
"Russia is drawing from the playbook it used for Crimea & Aleppo: forced to defend the indefensible (here, the Bucha atrocities), Russia is calling a @UN Security Council meeting so it can feign outrage & call for accountability," tweeted Samantha Power, a former U.S. ambassador to the UN.
"Nobody is buying it," added Power, who is the current administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development.
UN authorities have yet to publicly state whether a Security Council emergency meeting will take place Monday. //
Shouldn't the security council be calling a meeting anyway?
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They should be gagged from spouting any further rubbish. They have gagged anyone reporting within Russian, and gagged any reports entering Russian.
//They should be gagged from spouting any further rubbish. //

So you want to cancel them? And, at the risk of being called a Putinite, how do you actually know what is rubbish and what isnt?

Both sides do use propaganda you know, and the camera can lie.

Surely best to grant them the security council meet (and as Ich says surely they should be doing that anyway) and expose them that way with concrete evidence?
What baffles me is that what do they think is going to happen if they call their own meeting?
They have no evidence of any “false flag” or “fakery”
There is stacks of evidence condemning them. How much lower can a country sink?
The sooner we destroy their economy the better
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Both sides use propaganda? do they? Why would the Ukrainians need to use propaganda?The Russians have spent the best part of a month shelling Ukraine.

May be the Russians want a UN meeting to explain that they think the Ukrainians are building a film set for a new film. The Unknown Invader. :)
//Both sides use propaganda? do they? //

Yes, in a war it is a valuable tool. All Western countries use it do.

My, you are naïve.
Well, everyone uses propaganda in war, but Russia's is lies based in the fundamental lie that it's not even a war.
Lavrov even denied that Russia had invaded Ukraine ...
Most of what the Ukrainian government and army has posted has turned out to be pretty much true. In fact I cannot think of anything at all so far that's turned out not to be true.
The propaganda on the Ukrainian side tends to be more about positive spin, and keeping people's peckers up - not surprisingly.
Frankly, they don't need a lot of propaganda. The propaganda war is not a fair fight and hasn't been from day one.
Even Ukraine's MPs seem to be sexy, gun-toting blondes, while robot-like Russian Duma clones spout lies in comedy accents.
A boxing referee would have ended the bout weeks ago :-)
Ich, I think we all know for sure Russia tells whoppers not just a few porkies.

But surely the best way to expose them is with hard independently verified evidence? So let them have the meet and do it there.
Well yes, bring it on, I say!
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Only a valuable tool for the invader / murderer.
We have no intention of invading Ukraine
Its a special operation.

Me naive?
The photos from Bucha are coming from trustworthy sources such as AFP and Reuters, and I do not believe that they would collude in staging false photos.

The widely circulated photo of a mass grave in todays news is actually someone pointing at 4 black bin bags in a hole. Certainly a bit misleading.
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I have just seen some worse photos, and the one above is probably the preferred one because it is the least graphic.
The grave appears to have been dug in the churchyard of Church of St. Andrew and Pyervozvannoho All Saints in Bucha.
https://bnn-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/ruauuaaaaaaaaaaa.jpg
// Young conscripts ran away, begging, local people said, not to be turned over to Ukrainian territorial defence. A man of around 70 who called himself uncle Hrysha, said: "I felt sorry for them. They were so young, 18 to 20, with their whole lives ahead of them."
It looks as if Russians, as they prepared to pull out of Bucha, had no such pity. At least 20 dead men were lying in the street as Ukrainian troops entered the town. Some of them had their hands tied behind their backs. The mayor said they had buried 280 people in mass graves. //
In other news: Lithuania expels the russian ambassador.
The US asked the UN General Assembly to expel russia from the UNHCR
UNHRC.
I knew I’d get that wrong

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