Nasty Nicola Threatening Scotland Again

[gordiescotland1]

Nasty Nicola held a briefing today, which I am sure she lover every second of threatening all sorts of potential changes in the coming days, tighter restrictions on social gatherings, a cobra meeting this afternoon where she is going to ask for more cash if businesses are going to shut down etc. One thing she said that came out of her loud mouth "We don't know how seriously unwell or mildly unwell people are going to be with the Omicron variant " clearly she doesn't have the facts. So why is she predicting dire events and potentially ruining peoples events. ?

[New Judge]

//Threatening? Goodie, why don’t you just ignore the advice given by scientists, the health service,...//

I'll tell you why. Virtually every forecast (or "potential scenario" as they prefer to call them) made by scientists, medics or almost anybody else, has been woefully shy of the mark. Today I read that cases of the new variant could (note the word, "could") number one million a day by Christmas. I would wager they will not reach that number, nor anything like it. But it is these "scenarios" that politicians have been reacting to whenever the "experts" open their mouths. But the spread will not be prevented by anything that any of the UK administrations currently plan to do. Leaving aside the efficacy of face coverings, what is the point of forcing me to wear a face mask when I pop into my corner shop to buy a paper when I need not do so when spending three hours in the pub? Why do people need to avoid meeting their work colleagues in the office when they can meet them in the pub after work hours? "We must be seen to do something" is the answer. "This is something, so we'll do it" (even though the two things I mention as examples do not make the slightest sense).

[Deskdiary]

Just to add add to NJ’s post, if the reports are true from the RSA experts (after all
We’re always told to be believe they”!experts aren’t we) the new variant is mild.

So why plan B?

Come on Covidians, why plan B for a mild manifestation.

It’s well known you love the restrictions, but why when it’s little more than a cold?

[Deskdiary]

The experts say say this is mild. Are they the experts you u don’t agree with?

[bobbinwales]

Come back in 3 weeks and see how things are DD, its clear to me there worried that those that arent boosted are much more at risk from this variant so its spreading fast and even if only a small percent need hospitals, plus all the nvaccinate dwho get it. hospitals will be logjammed. Hope am wrong but sadly think it'll be much more of a problem than your suggesting

[bobbinwales]

Basically your not hearing what the experts are saying, But as you and newjudge dont trust them anyway perhaps it doesnt matter what they say or think, you and newjudge know best in your world, just like on climate change

[THECORBYLOON]

From SAGE Minutes 6th December 2021

"8. Some early indications from South Africa suggest less severe disease in those hospitalised when compared to previous waves, though this likely reflects at least in part the characteristics of those being admitted to date, who are younger than in previous waves (low confidence). A modest reduction in severity would not avert high numbers of hospitalisations if growth rates remained very high.

9. Although there are several unknown factors, preliminary modelling suggests that without any changes to measures in place, the number of hospitalisations from Omicron may reach 1,000 per day or higher in England by the end of the year (and still be increasing at that point).

10. The overall scale of any wave of hospitalisations without interventions is highly uncertain, but the peak could reach several times this level. The peak is highly likely to be higher than 1,000 to 2,000 Omicron hospital admissions per day without intervention to slow the speed of increasing infections; for it to be below this level there would need to be only a small degree of immune escape and very high protection from boosters against Omicron."

Do folk with, "little more than a cold" normally end up in hospital?

[Deskdiary]

I’m listening to the experts. Unfortunately they’re not the experts you’re choosing to listen to.

So which experts are correct? The ones you Covidians agree with presumably.

[Atheist]

DD; which experts have you been listening to?

[bobbinwales]

I think DD may mean the ones who post on youtube and facebook or QANON websites who have little or no training in medicine or health

[THECORBYLOON]

DD, which specific experts do you listen to and can you give links to their advice?

[dave50]

For God's sake! If its spread to vast majority who are vaccinated it doesn't bloody matter, they will be fine!

[bobbinwales]

No , a proprtion wont dave especially them who havent been boosted yet which is majority of population! A tiny proportion of a big number is... thousands of deaths and hospital cases. And thenn theres the millions of unvaccinated

[THECORBYLOON]

"it doesn't bloody matter, they will be fine!"

What about the thousands being admitted to hospital if there's no interventions?

[Deskdiary]

I’m intrigued.

Which experts should I listen to?

The South African experts have given their expert opinion that it’s more transmissible but appears mild. That’s their expert view. Should I ignore the expert view of the the RSA experts with their expert view, experts who are expert in their expert field?

Or should I listen to experts on AB?

It’s a quandary.

[THECORBYLOON]

"Or should I listen to experts on AB?"

Are you an expert then?

Should folk listen to you?

How about listening to the SAGE experts instead?

[bobbinwales]

DD the 'experts' all across Europe are all concerned and most countrys are taking far more drastic action. In a few weeks you might be saying 'perhaps we should of done more after all', Most doctors and scientists here seem to be saying things are getting worse fast. Politicians cant ignore the science again. Better to be safe than sorry. We'll know more ina few weeks. Better to be safe now than see massive upsurge and need a lockdown soon

[ParsleyDumpling]

Seriously SAGE are experts? Most of their predictions seem not to have materialised. The virus is doing what most viruses do, mutating, just as flu does each year. The announcement of daily infection numbers is pointless, if there was a LFT for the common cold or flu, we would probably be staggered by the number of people who are asymptomatic. I suspect the same is true of Covid the majority of people testing positive have no symptoms, but of course we are not given the breakdown of the symptom/symptomless numbers because that doesn't suit the agenda of trying to scare the population into submission.

[Deskdiary]

TCL at 8.49pm.

Eh?

[Deskdiary]

My point is, who should I listen to?

The experts in RSA, or
Bob?

[jourdain2]

Re. OP - to frighten people into compliance.