You Know The Routine......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58405213

[Mozz71]

Naomi, I agreed with your original post. I was referring to your 11:06 comment as part of "the routine".

[Peter Pedant]

dont bozza mozza
they are all crazy
and anyway what is very true today
is clarified to very untrue tomorrow
You er get used to it

3Ts clarity - I thought he had managed to kill 6 people in 60 s
but as someone said it is the old routine - factoid and falsity is taken as gospel troof
and they're off !

[Stickybottle]

Gone in 60 Seconds

Impressive

[jno]

All that surveillance and he still managed to do what he did.

what sort of surveillance do you want? He'd done nothing to warrant being locked up; when he grabbed a knife in a shop, he was dead within moments. Much better than announcing after a mass murder that the suspect was "known to the authorities"; there, the authorities were almost on top of him, and he was the only person to die. My sympathies to those hurt, but it was close to being a perfect counter-terror action.

[youngmafbog]

Thats ok then jno, no surprises you would be on the perpetrators side.

I wonder what those lying badly injured in hospital think?

[jno]

on the perpetrators' side???

Where do you come up with this BS?

I've already expressed my sympathy with the injured.

[naomi24]

I don’t want any on-going surveillance, Jno. I want people like him removed from the societies they choose to join. He should have been deported before he got the chance to harm anyone.

[andy-hughes]

I don't know the routine - care to run it by me?

[Mozz71]

YMF, how was that "on the perp's side"? Jno was praising the police action. When you compare it to the Westminster Bridge attack a couple of years ago, the police reaction in NZ was incredible. I don't see what more they could've done.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // He should have been deported before he got the chance to harm anyone. //

Punishing someone before they have done anythng, on the basis that they may do something.

That's an interesting slant on the use of seriously hard-won personal freedoms.

[naomi24]

But he had done something, AH. He supported IS and experience should tell us that giving people like him the benefit of the doubt very often results in innocent people being maimed or worse.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // But he had done something, AH. He supported IS and experience should tell us that giving people like him the benefit of the doubt very often results in innocent people being maimed or worse. //

Last time I checked, supporting something was not considered a crime - and we don't punish people for imagining what their support of something may lead them to do.

[naomi24]

AH, in answer to your question at 14.21, reading your own posts will give you a clue.

[Untitled]

According to the link he was on the authorities' watch list for several years... I think naomi wishes that he was deported as soon as he became of interest.

[Untitled]

If he was deported he would have done the same thing somewhere else... I agree with jno I don't think the authorities could possibly have done more.

[dannyk13]

AH, could he have commited an offence in any of these cicumstances?.If he was a supporter then he would not have to have commited an actual crime.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/266038/List_of_Proscribed_organisations.pdf

[naomi24]

Untitled, you’re right. I do wished he had been deported straightaway. Anyone who supports Islamic terrorist groups is an enemy of the west and has no place in our society.

[Jackdaw33]

He was known to the police who had a full profile of him, else why were they following him at the time? As Naomi says, he should have been deported earlier and not, as some bleeding hearts on here would have us do, wait until he had blown a few people to smithereens before taking action.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // Anyone who supports Islamic terrorist groups is an enemy of the west and has no place in our society. //

It sounds like a perfect solution - it is just moving the problem somewhere else, but as long as it's not here, who cares?

But seriously - this is the thin edge of a really nastry wedge.

If you start shifting people out of their homes because they support something you think is wrong (and I am not for a moment suggesting that it is anything but wrong) then where do you draw the line?

Do elected vegans start pushing for legislation that meat-eaters are moved somewhere else?

Do elected bike fanatics start lobying for an end to all motor transport?

That's the sort of mind-set you set free if you start sanctioning the movement of people whose ideologies don't align with your own, and in my view, that's a path we should not be starting down.

[andy-hughes]

Jackdaw - // As Naomi says, he should have been deported earlier and not, as some bleeding hearts on here would have us do, wait until he had blown a few people to smithereens before taking action. //

If you can find anyone on here - 'bleeding heart' or otherwise who has ever defended any terrorist action anywhere in the world ever, I would be interested in your evidence.