Plymouth shooting

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/significant-ambulance-response-deployed-to-incident-in-plymouth-12379946

[naomi24]

The police are still saying this is not terror related.

[Gromit]

Incel is a proscribed terrorist organisation.

[Gromit]

Meant to write
* Incel is a NOT proscribed terrorist organisation. *

[naomi24]

I’m not sure what your point in mentioning it is then, gromit, or in expecting everyone to condemn this atrocity as an act by a member of a far right group. Proscribed or not, that surely would be an act of terrorism, no?

[Gromit]

No.
Act of a mad man.
He had a misogynistic hatred of women and was into guns. Not a good combination. He wasn’t driven by the usual religious intolerance or political ideology. Just not wired up right.

[naomi24]

Gromit, So he’s a lone madman, which I think most likely, but what does that have to do with him being a member of a right wing group and you expecting people to criticise that? You’ve lost me there.

[ToraToraTora]

another thread hacked to death, even my original BA has gone so I've had to pick another from naomi.

[Gromit]

Naomi,
There was plenty of speculation when there were no available information. Most of it jumping to the wrong conclusion that it was an Islamic terrorist incident.

Now we have some facts, it is worth saying what they are. He was a male supremacist, gun lover, supporter of far right causes and influencers who believes in conspiracy theories. Not a religious extremist.

[naomi24]

But nevertheless a loner and not acting on behalf of a right wing organisation.

[Gromit]

Exactly Naomi,
Katie Hopkins didn’t tell him to go and murder women.

[ichkeria]

Re BA: objection m’lud: I’m not the one who’s confused :-)
Arguing with Naomi is like trying to do painting by numbers with Salvador Dali :-)

[naomi24]

That’s what happens when you try to be sneaky, ich. ;o)

[Peter Pedant]

// His personal suspicions that Islamists are likely to have been involved do not. .....// is complete twaddle and obviously so from last night
( gun involved and the police DIDNT wait for 24h saying "oh we cant go in. There may be a marauding terrorist" - by the way he DID maraud but what the hell, this is AB)

the usual dance is TTT trivialising a tragedy with irrelevant rubbish

Incel - who mentioned Incel? see above
the media - along with a photo of a badly trimmed beardie, cross eyed and frizzy hair. - Fred west but not green eyed

Is the three year old his? obviously not Incel then. Involuntary celibate for those not 'in'

[Peter Pedant]

BA ? - yeah I thought rename it: buffoon's answer....
( most) bonkers answer....

[barry1010]

No, the three year old child is not the daughter of the killer

[naomi24]

PP. I would like to say you’ve lost the plot again but that wouldn’t be true. I don’t think you ever had the plot to lose. Try reading the thread.

[Ellipsis]

> the usual dance is TTT trivialising a tragedy with irrelevant rubbish

Bang on, there's your BA right there. End of.

[jno]

He had a misogynistic hatred of women and was into guns

...and had a gun licence. Don't they check?

[Mamyalynne]

He'd only had his licence and gun back for a month.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/plymouth-shooting-live-keyham-today-b1901942.html

[Ellipsis]

If being a right wing nut job with a history of weird posts on the internet was enough to stop you having a gun licence, nobody would have one ...