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[dannyk13]

Government just announced that they have fixed a post-Brexit trade agreement with Japan,

[ichkeria]

I am not sure if there is any difference between "secured" and "agreed in principle".
The government web site says both

[dannyk13]

Thank you for that ich.

[naomi24]

Ken, are you hoping those two words ... 'in principle' ... will be the undoing of this agreement?

[Ken4155]

No, Naomi, i'm not. Why would I? I mentioned the wording more in reply to Douglas's t-i-c remark @ 08;35. But then Danny put his PP mask on. And we are where we are..........

[naomi24]

Ken, just that I get the impression that some people would dearly love this country to fall flat on its face post-Brexit. I didn't know if you were one of them.

[dannyk13]

Ken //Danny put his PP mask on.//
Why the insult?

[youngmafbog]

Thats a bit rich Danny given you like to throw insulting names at people you dont agree with.

[youngmafbog]

On the face of it good news.

Devil is always in the detail though so lets wait and see.

[Ken4155]

Naomi, i am English and i love my country, warts and all. Whether i have backed the winner or the loser in any election/referendum, i have always accepted the result because we are a democracy. You may be right in believing that some want Brexit to have a devastating effect on our economy and well-being. Rest assured, i am certainly not one of them.

[naomi24]

Okay, Ken. Thanks for answering.

[Ken4155]

Danny, i thought you were being pedantic. My apologies if that isn't the case. Like i said, i'm not arguing with you.

[dannyk13]

Ich:-
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/in-principle
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secure
Def.3B

[dannyk13]

Ken, no problem.

[Old_Geezer]

First of many deals, no doubt. Either nations want to take advantage of this opportunity for a better trade relationship, or they don't.

[dannyk13]

ymb. //Thats a bit rich Danny given you like to throw insulting names //
No I don't and I am not going to get into an argument with you.

[ichkeria]

"Ich:-
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/in-principle
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secure
Def.3B "

??
They are two different things, as I said, and both are used by the government in their statement.
As ymb says, good news "in principle"

[dannyk13]

ich, the latest news bulletin at 10am states that an agreement has been signed so not 'in principle' but in fact.

[ichkeria]

Jolly good.

The link here says agreed in principle via video call
i am not trying to pick holes

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-strikes-agreement-with-japan-to-secure-first-post-brexit-trade-deal-12068674

[dannyk13]

ich // am not trying to pick holes//
I understand that.Probably the video call was before anything has been signed.I am only quoting what is being announced in news bulletins.

[ichkeria]

Here’s another one
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54116606

“Signed an agreement in principle”
Presumably that means “signed ‘an agreement in principle’“
not “‘signed an agreement’ in principle”
:-)
I hope this is indeed the fabulous thing Liz Truss claims it to be but I’m now very wary of anything anyone says now..