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Utter Lunacy 60 Statues To Go

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retrocop | 23:49 Tue 09th Jun 2020 | News
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BLM have targeted 60 Statues and Plaques. Their choices are bizzare. Will we now have black stabbing victims picking and choosing what hospitals save their lives. They apparently now don't appreciate Guy's hospital. I am sure Guys didn't turn them away when they were bleeding to death.
Arms manufacture and Engineer Armstrong. Obviously BLM would have sooner lived under a Nazi regime. Armstrong Company manufactured the Armstrong Whiteley Bomber in the 2nd W.W.

Horatio Nelson, Drake et al. It has to stop. Full list in Link

https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/09/hit-list-racist-statues-black-lives-matter-protesters-want-pulling-12827249/?ico=pushly-notifcation-small&;utm_source=pushly
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Gherkin: 'However, those who are retaliating to the aggressive police presence,' I don't know what you were watching but I saw a bunch of coppers being commendably restrained in the face of extreme provocation. Copers who weren't allowed to wear beat helmets which might have offered some protection. Coppers who weren't allowed to wear crash helmets and...
15:19 Wed 10th Jun 2020
ToraToraTora, I certainly agree that there are layers. Some issues are more critical than others and Rawanda may be one of those.

However, that doesn't change the issue with police brutality and social injustice in America towards black people. If in well developed countries we can't be civil then how are we going to make a change in countries that have only recently lost that third world status?
Gherkins, old mate. Arguing with the majority of militant Answerbankers is rather like running into a redneck bar down South and shouting “Black lives matter”.

Getting out in one piece would be a victory. Hoping to change minds, persuade folk of their wrong-thinking?

When the seas run dry, love, and the rocks they melt in the heat of the sun.

Still, if it pleases you - and I for one like reading your eminently sensible posts.

Allen (long given up)
" The silence is deafening from BLM about those matters."

If you feel that every movement needs to honour the good, rather than expose the bad then do you think the movements would have any traction?
Thank you, Allen. What lovely words. I want to thank Gromit also for his position on his topic. It has been comforting.
Allen and gherkins, I can only agree... but trying to persuade entitled people to consider anyone other than themselves, seems to be an uphill battle.
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//Have those who tarnished the statue claimed they did it for BLM? //

Either you are illiterate and lack the education I previously described or perhaps a visit to Specsavers is in order. If you care to open the link and observe the pictures the vandalised statue has the BLM tag all over it.
Retrocop, that is general vandalism that for all we know could have been sprayed by you to then use as an argument against BlackLivesMatter.
Retro, give it up, it's not worth it.
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//how are we going to make a change in countries that have only recently lost that third world status? //

History. We tried that and we were called colonialists and Imperialists so we left them with their ignorance and the infrastructure we built for them to enter the civilised world. Apart from wasting government grants they still live in slums and squalor but can enter the space programme.!
Gherkins, Just out of interest, you support a more aggressive type of protest, but where does YOUR line need to be drawn. Violence against others, looting privately owned shops, destroying people's livelihoods?

Where in your book should it stop?
"However, that doesn't change the issue with police brutality and social injustice in America towards black people." - only black people have experienced police brutality? The thing is you take things as racist when they are indiscriminate. When did you see white people looting and rioting after a death of a white person in custody? You see, we can see it's not a skin colour thing it's a criminal lowlife resisting arrest thing.
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danny. Yes, Quite correct. I'll leave it there. At least You dispense sense.
I do wish these goal-posts would keep still. It's quite dizzying trying to keep up with it all...
Gherkin: here's real racism:
https://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/africa/03/19/zimbabwe.dog/index.html
I'd be interested on your thoughts Gherkin.
Mozz71, a good question and one that I shall try to answer.

In a normal day to day situation, I condemn any kind of violence. I disagree with vandalism (apart from my case!) and do not agree with theft.

However, we are in a pivotal time in society. Those who are rioting aimlessly will no doubt be prosecuted. (Remember the London riots, and how almost 80% who were involved were charged and put on the news?)

However, those who are retaliating to the aggressive police presence, those peacefully protesting and those maybe making a bit of a mess but not going to far will help with their movement and message.

It's a hard one to answer. Racism, undoubtedly is a massive issue, one that has been present since the dawn of time and unfortunately, something that will be present for the foreseeable future. Items can be replaced. Bronze can be smelted and moulded into new statues. Stores have insurance. All of these assets are protected.

One asset that isn't protected is black lives. A life is priceless, so don't try to use vandalism as a reason to ignore it. I draw the line at life.
Tora, why is that "real" racism, as opposed to a crime against a black man?

Is that more racist than a KKK lynching of a black man? More racist than the Sharpeville Massacre?

What makes racism "real" to you?
"When did you see white people looting and rioting after a death of a white person in custody?"

Rarely but just wait until they lose a football match.
ToraToraTora, never has it been the case on answerbank where you can use one event to take away from another.

If someone lost a leg I wouldn't ignore them because someone ha lost both of their legs. The issue is still present.
ToraToraTora
Here's some more real racism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26875506
14:33 Wed 10th Jun 2020




I'm confused.
Can you enlighten me, TTT?

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