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iluvmargie
Can you confirm where you read that Dominic Cummings and his wife were very sick and/or dying.
The law that applies to the rest of us also apply to the Cummings family. If you're are diagnosed with Covid-19 symptoms, you and your immediate family are to self-isolate.
You're not supposed to drive your kids up the country for child care.
Can you confirm where you read that Dominic Cummings and his wife were very sick and/or dying.
The law that applies to the rest of us also apply to the Cummings family. If you're are diagnosed with Covid-19 symptoms, you and your immediate family are to self-isolate.
You're not supposed to drive your kids up the country for child care.
It's worse than that SP - just read the article that gness linked to earlier - their whole story and subsequent (failed) cover-up is so full of holes you could use it as a colander ...
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Also, the rules are in place to protect people. Travelling to another town puts people in that town, and on the route, at risk. It is certain that at some point when Cummings had the virus he will have risked exposing his children to it, and under those circumstances asking his parents to care for them puts those people at risk, too. The question of whether or not they were sick at the time is irrelevant.
I'm sorry, but if you think it is a good idea to break rules that you have written, then that makes you a hypocrite, and it makes you someone who will abuse your privilege to do something you expect others not to. The Government created these rules to try and protect its citizens. We were, in your own words, "duty bound" to follow those rules. That goes doubly so for the people responsible for creating them. There is nothing exceptional here, and the rules even covered this, as has been pointed out several times: if you had symptoms of Covid-19, you were supposed to stay in isolation for seven days, and people in your household for 14.
I'm sorry, but if you think it is a good idea to break rules that you have written, then that makes you a hypocrite, and it makes you someone who will abuse your privilege to do something you expect others not to. The Government created these rules to try and protect its citizens. We were, in your own words, "duty bound" to follow those rules. That goes doubly so for the people responsible for creating them. There is nothing exceptional here, and the rules even covered this, as has been pointed out several times: if you had symptoms of Covid-19, you were supposed to stay in isolation for seven days, and people in your household for 14.
No worries iluvmargie
This thread has morphed all over the place, and it’s easy to miss some points and links.
Even if he’s been caught flouting the rules, I don’t think he should resign though.
I think that if the story stays alive, and it becomes a distraction, then perhaps he might want to consider his position though.
This thread has morphed all over the place, and it’s easy to miss some points and links.
Even if he’s been caught flouting the rules, I don’t think he should resign though.
I think that if the story stays alive, and it becomes a distraction, then perhaps he might want to consider his position though.
SP, had you read the posts you would have seen me say that had my circumstances been as he claimed his to be, I would have flouted the rule. The link that Chinajan posted and that you, for some strange reason, felt compelled to re-post, didn’t mention exceptional circumstances - which is what this is about.
Sunny-Dave, if you want a truly wonderful example of inconsistency check out gness’s post at 13:40 Sat, where she appears to be saying that the only thing that stopped her flouting the rule was the physical presence of police who would have stopped her. She went as far as to accuse me of insulting her because I suggested that anyone who wouldn’t flout the rules in exceptional circumstances was a strange human being indeed. Oh, yes, she wanted to flout the rules…and yet she’s arguing with me ... but then we know that’s because she’s she and I’m me. ;o)
Sunny-Dave, if you want a truly wonderful example of inconsistency check out gness’s post at 13:40 Sat, where she appears to be saying that the only thing that stopped her flouting the rule was the physical presence of police who would have stopped her. She went as far as to accuse me of insulting her because I suggested that anyone who wouldn’t flout the rules in exceptional circumstances was a strange human being indeed. Oh, yes, she wanted to flout the rules…and yet she’s arguing with me ... but then we know that’s because she’s she and I’m me. ;o)
The statement from Number Ten says, "At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported. His actions were in line with coronavirus guidelines. Mr Cummings believes he behaved reasonably and legally."
A spokesman for Durham Constabulary said, “On Tuesday, March 31, our officers were made aware of reports that an individual had travelled from London to Durham and was present at an address in the city.
“Officers made contact with the owners of that address who confirmed that the individual in question was present and was self-isolating in part of the house.
“In line with national policing guidance, officers explained to the family the guidelines around self-isolation and reiterated the appropriate advice around essential travel.”
They cannot both be correct, can they?
A spokesman for Durham Constabulary said, “On Tuesday, March 31, our officers were made aware of reports that an individual had travelled from London to Durham and was present at an address in the city.
“Officers made contact with the owners of that address who confirmed that the individual in question was present and was self-isolating in part of the house.
“In line with national policing guidance, officers explained to the family the guidelines around self-isolation and reiterated the appropriate advice around essential travel.”
They cannot both be correct, can they?
Imagine the scenario......Both you and your partner are showing what could be corona virus symtoms. You are living in London with no close family members and your child. This virus has the potential to kill or incapacitate you both. Do you make a hard trip to ensure that your child is safe or chance it falling into the hands of one of the Labour run, London, Social Services? I can just see it now at somewhere like the Brent Social Services........ooohh guess what we, can take that kid of Cumming's into care and the courts will hide anything we decide to do. I know what I would have been doing.
What utter rot - at no point did gness imply a desire to break the laws - she just showed an acceptance that they were correct and explained that they would be enforced if she chose to attempt to break them - which she did not do and indeed had no desire so to do.
The ability to recognise that, in extremis, it is necessary to subjugate private desires for the greater public good is a fundamental principle of a civilised society - one that some people both here and in public life are shamefully unable to accept.
The ability to recognise that, in extremis, it is necessary to subjugate private desires for the greater public good is a fundamental principle of a civilised society - one that some people both here and in public life are shamefully unable to accept.
naomi24
I reposted the link because you don't seem to understand that you've switched what you've said.
Dominic Cummings' circumstances were not exceptional. Yes, he showed signs of Covid-19, so he should've isolated with his family.
This is what would be expected from the rest of us.
You wrote:
//had my circumstances been as he claimed his to be, I would have flouted the rule.//
So are we to assume that despite the law that states that you should stay home if diagnosed, you would've driven 250 miles up the country to drop your child off at your elderly parents?
I reposted the link because you don't seem to understand that you've switched what you've said.
Dominic Cummings' circumstances were not exceptional. Yes, he showed signs of Covid-19, so he should've isolated with his family.
This is what would be expected from the rest of us.
You wrote:
//had my circumstances been as he claimed his to be, I would have flouted the rule.//
So are we to assume that despite the law that states that you should stay home if diagnosed, you would've driven 250 miles up the country to drop your child off at your elderly parents?
Naomi. I had no intention of flouting the law. Your twisting of my words is quite spectacular.
The laws here have been more stringent than in the UK and we have abided by them to the letter.
My post explained why I couldn't travel to the UK when you and Margie said nothing would stop you visiting a sick and dying mother. I couldn't travel because of the laws in place and I had no desire to break those laws. I was not prevented from travelling because I could get caught, but because I accepted that, though regrettable, the law was the law and that there was a very good reason for those laws to be in place. Do you understand that?
I knew weeks before she died that I would not be able to see her or attend her funeral and I accepted that. I did not seek ways to get around the situation. I made all the arrangements from here including a video to be taken for me to keep.
You do owe me an apology despite your use of the word "appears" as a get out.
The laws here have been more stringent than in the UK and we have abided by them to the letter.
My post explained why I couldn't travel to the UK when you and Margie said nothing would stop you visiting a sick and dying mother. I couldn't travel because of the laws in place and I had no desire to break those laws. I was not prevented from travelling because I could get caught, but because I accepted that, though regrettable, the law was the law and that there was a very good reason for those laws to be in place. Do you understand that?
I knew weeks before she died that I would not be able to see her or attend her funeral and I accepted that. I did not seek ways to get around the situation. I made all the arrangements from here including a video to be taken for me to keep.
You do owe me an apology despite your use of the word "appears" as a get out.
Sunny-dave, from gness, //Getting in a car to drive 200 miles was not an option for me. The UK and Irish laws meant I couldn't travel to see her. I would have stopped by Irish Guards before I got to the ferry and UK police as soon as I arrived so stop insulting me….. Refusing to turn back after travelling more than 2km from home would mean instant arrest here, Iluv. How would you have dealt with that?//
Had she left the 'stop insulting me' out, I may have given you the benefit of the doubt - albeit dubiously. As it is, I don't.
Had she left the 'stop insulting me' out, I may have given you the benefit of the doubt - albeit dubiously. As it is, I don't.
Naomi - you are (as so often) diverting a thread where you've had your inconsistency of opinion incontrovertibly proved by reference to your past postings.
As usual your tactic is to attack another poster and hope that your own frailties cease to be the centre of discussion.
I'm not playing your game - I'll just rejoice in the moments of angst that the exposure of your old post must have brought (even to you) before you formulated ludicrous sidetrack.
As usual your tactic is to attack another poster and hope that your own frailties cease to be the centre of discussion.
I'm not playing your game - I'll just rejoice in the moments of angst that the exposure of your old post must have brought (even to you) before you formulated ludicrous sidetrack.
Then I mustn't be 'civilised' sunny dave because I would have MOST DEFINITELY put my dying parents needs before 'the greater public good' especially if the only way they could have been helped is if I could get there, and believe me I would have! As it happens they both died before all this madness, so I wasn't put to the test, but yes, I would have definitely failed the test!!
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