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Greta Does A Jezza........
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Emulation is the sincerest form of flattery after all!
Emulation is the sincerest form of flattery after all!
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Mozz. //You speak of the concerned 10 year old you spoke to Naomi. While I don't want to see any child being scared by this, it's good that his awareness is now such that conversations on the subject have resulted.//
But his 'awareness' is inaccurate. He's afraid - as are many other children - and the more easily influenced among the adults. There's nothing good about that. It's something, I personally, cannot reconcile or justify. She, encouraged by the people backing her, is creating mass hysteria.
But his 'awareness' is inaccurate. He's afraid - as are many other children - and the more easily influenced among the adults. There's nothing good about that. It's something, I personally, cannot reconcile or justify. She, encouraged by the people backing her, is creating mass hysteria.
//Those people just don't like being told what to do by a child. It makes no difference what the message is or whether its right or wrong, the fact it's coming from a source that they deem to be below them angers them. //
Hasn't this always been the case, as many of us who've lived a good part of our lives during the 20th century have witnessed. Maybe some have even been victims of that mistrust, dislike, villification. This hatred of Greta isn't much different, except she is younger than most and has mental health issues that affect both her behaviour and her perception of the issues she is fighting for. For that reason, the disdain some feel for her and her beliefs seem so much worse.
Hasn't this always been the case, as many of us who've lived a good part of our lives during the 20th century have witnessed. Maybe some have even been victims of that mistrust, dislike, villification. This hatred of Greta isn't much different, except she is younger than most and has mental health issues that affect both her behaviour and her perception of the issues she is fighting for. For that reason, the disdain some feel for her and her beliefs seem so much worse.
Ellipsis - // Are you so old that you've already forgotten why ludwig was suggesting you cut her some slack, even as you answered him? Phrases like "her modern Joan Of Arc schtick" …
And are you so cowardly that you'll write the following and then, when challenged, claim it wasn't a "direct criticism of the young lady":
> I have believed for years that the obsession with climate change is rooted in self-obsession and an overdeveloped sense of self importance, which is usually the domain of children and students whose needs are cared for, leaving them to pontificate their naivety to anyone who will listen //
First of all, insulting me, in an effort to attack my purported 'criticism' reeks of hypocrisy.
Secondly, my criticism, such as it is, was directed at all children whose absence of maturity and knowledge of the world leads them to see things in seriously simplistic terms. That is not a criticism, merely an observation.
I don't criticise anyone for not knowing anything, I do criticise the adults around them for allowing them to think that they do know far more about vast and complex subjects than their youth could possibly allow.
My criticism is reserved for the adults surrounding this naïve and misguided teenager, their manipulation of her appeal to her peers is cynical and without merit or excuse.
And are you so cowardly that you'll write the following and then, when challenged, claim it wasn't a "direct criticism of the young lady":
> I have believed for years that the obsession with climate change is rooted in self-obsession and an overdeveloped sense of self importance, which is usually the domain of children and students whose needs are cared for, leaving them to pontificate their naivety to anyone who will listen //
First of all, insulting me, in an effort to attack my purported 'criticism' reeks of hypocrisy.
Secondly, my criticism, such as it is, was directed at all children whose absence of maturity and knowledge of the world leads them to see things in seriously simplistic terms. That is not a criticism, merely an observation.
I don't criticise anyone for not knowing anything, I do criticise the adults around them for allowing them to think that they do know far more about vast and complex subjects than their youth could possibly allow.
My criticism is reserved for the adults surrounding this naïve and misguided teenager, their manipulation of her appeal to her peers is cynical and without merit or excuse.
Mozz - // I disagree about her impact. I think, because of the previously discussed used of Social Media platforms, her impact has been massive. Why it was left to a little girl with Aspergers to have such an impact is a better question. //
That does depend on your definition of the word 'impact'.
If you mean, she has got a lot of people talking about her on social media, then yes, she has had an impact.
If you mean she has caused any government anywhere in the world to go beyond agreeing with her to appeal to voters, whilst not actually altering their energy policies one iota, then she has had no impact whatsoever.
That does depend on your definition of the word 'impact'.
If you mean, she has got a lot of people talking about her on social media, then yes, she has had an impact.
If you mean she has caused any government anywhere in the world to go beyond agreeing with her to appeal to voters, whilst not actually altering their energy policies one iota, then she has had no impact whatsoever.
Ellipsis - // So "her modern Joan of Arc schtick" was not a criticism? //
Of her personally? No.
I think she sincerely believes what she says is true, and she wants to make a difference, and in that she is absolutely no different from millings of her peers around the world who see themselves as the only ones who actually know what goes on - even though they don't because they can't because they are sixteen.
As to her parents, and others, who have created and encouraged her Joan Of Arc schtick, I absolutely condemn them for the cynical manipulators of a child that they are - which is unforgivable.
Of her personally? No.
I think she sincerely believes what she says is true, and she wants to make a difference, and in that she is absolutely no different from millings of her peers around the world who see themselves as the only ones who actually know what goes on - even though they don't because they can't because they are sixteen.
As to her parents, and others, who have created and encouraged her Joan Of Arc schtick, I absolutely condemn them for the cynical manipulators of a child that they are - which is unforgivable.
Andy, she's bought her cause to the attention of tens of millions. That's not a bad impact for a young woman in her position. If no governments have acted yet, that's not her fault. If a third of the people who have heard her agree with her, then the voice gets louder to the point that change will have to come.
In a melodramatic term, she's fanning the flames that could lead to a revolution in green awareness.
In a melodramatic term, she's fanning the flames that could lead to a revolution in green awareness.
ummmm - // Andy....that's quite insulting to our teenagers. Most have their own minds! //
Of course they have, and amen to that.
Their minds are full of passion and dreams and a desire to change the world, and I would applaud every one of them for it, it keeps the world turning.
But …
their opinions cannot be based on actual experience and education because, by definition, they have not had the time needed to absorb both, and form opinions accordingly.
That is my issue with Ms. Thornburg - her passion and zeal are not matched by understanding and grasp of the complexities, because they can't be, she is simply not old enough!
That is not a criticism, how could it be - but it remains a fact - adults will not sit still and be lectured by a child telling them that they don't understand issues.
They may not understand - but the child certainly does not understand, that is where the problem lies.
Of course they have, and amen to that.
Their minds are full of passion and dreams and a desire to change the world, and I would applaud every one of them for it, it keeps the world turning.
But …
their opinions cannot be based on actual experience and education because, by definition, they have not had the time needed to absorb both, and form opinions accordingly.
That is my issue with Ms. Thornburg - her passion and zeal are not matched by understanding and grasp of the complexities, because they can't be, she is simply not old enough!
That is not a criticism, how could it be - but it remains a fact - adults will not sit still and be lectured by a child telling them that they don't understand issues.
They may not understand - but the child certainly does not understand, that is where the problem lies.
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