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Is It Now Time To Grant The 'democratic' Demanding Remainers Their Wish?
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Yes I think we should also now hold a second referendum, the wording on the ballot papers should read:
!/ Accept Boris Johnson's deal.
2/ Come out with no deal.
!/ Accept Boris Johnson's deal.
2/ Come out with no deal.
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Part of the reason the will is not there is because some of the most committed and ardent Brexit supporters, the DUP, decided that they had been screwed over by the terms of this deal and decided to support the Letwin amendment to at least delay things. This is an important point: It may have been a "Remainer plot" to slow things down, but Leavers are divided on how and when to leave the EU. As long as that remains the case, leaving will be difficult.
"But this is not about manifesto promises.
The is about a referendum with one question and one question only. It was voted on, and the vote was the leave the EU, and that is what must happen"
I know that, I only illustrate the kind of lying, two-faced ratbag we elect and are then surprised by.
It matters not what the popular will is, party and self-interest almost always come first.
Our current PM a case in point, flip-flopping from the start with an eye for the main chance and yet again the good old British public lap it up.
The is about a referendum with one question and one question only. It was voted on, and the vote was the leave the EU, and that is what must happen"
I know that, I only illustrate the kind of lying, two-faced ratbag we elect and are then surprised by.
It matters not what the popular will is, party and self-interest almost always come first.
Our current PM a case in point, flip-flopping from the start with an eye for the main chance and yet again the good old British public lap it up.
Well, I'm not arguing that Cameron was a twit (typo), but still -- it wasn't simple. Firstly, we had to leave in compliance with both Article 50 and according to our own constitution, and secondly we had to have at least some idea of what we wanted to do with leaving -- that whole "soft v. hard" Brexit debate of 2017/18. Now the debate has been over what sort of compromise deal to reach, and really it's all about the Customs Union. Oh, and the Irish border issue, which has proved to be impossible to solve to everyone's satisfaction -- ie, everyone agrees that the necessary consequence of leaving the Customs Union is to introduce some kind of border somewhere in or around Ireland, but where? Along the actual border violates the terms of the Belfast Agreement, and along the Irish Sea is understandably offensive to Unionists.
did anyone watch the debate to its conclusion? in which points of order were taken including the prime minister, who suggested he was under no legal obligation to ask for a delay? and from the leader of the house, who used a point of order to make an emergency business submission (presumably so he couldn't be questioned on it) effectively canning next week's queen's speech debate (and making the collective audience - what was left of it - go "huh??")
clearly there was nothing to stop the above, but both Johnson and Rees-Mogg did not linger and legged it, and Bercow couldn't stop them.
the whole thing is now descending into farce. Please will messrs Blackford and Corbyn remove these muppets who purport to govern but don't? whatever anyone voted for in 2016, it definitely wasn't for this circus.
clearly there was nothing to stop the above, but both Johnson and Rees-Mogg did not linger and legged it, and Bercow couldn't stop them.
the whole thing is now descending into farce. Please will messrs Blackford and Corbyn remove these muppets who purport to govern but don't? whatever anyone voted for in 2016, it definitely wasn't for this circus.
All these bills & amendments are restricted to UK law (as it stands) & are overridden by EU law, the Benn & Letwin acts have no power in Brussels, whatever they say or accept goes.
Also looking at it from the EU position, they are sick & tired of all this nonsense, Macron himself for one (& it only needs one) has said "enough is enough", so if Boris has to ask for an extension they will refuse it.
Also looking at it from the EU position, they are sick & tired of all this nonsense, Macron himself for one (& it only needs one) has said "enough is enough", so if Boris has to ask for an extension they will refuse it.
We now know that Johnson will tell the EU they should ignore his request for an extension.
Was that the cunning plan?
From an EU point of view all they need to do is grant an extension until the legislation has been passed. And if it isn’t passed then that will be that.
And indications are that we’re there to be a vote on the deal now (which I admit there is not) the govt might very well win as they are up to 319 votes.
Was that the cunning plan?
From an EU point of view all they need to do is grant an extension until the legislation has been passed. And if it isn’t passed then that will be that.
And indications are that we’re there to be a vote on the deal now (which I admit there is not) the govt might very well win as they are up to 319 votes.
Anyone got Macron's email address? I may write a nice little note asking him to veto. I got through to Viktor Orban a few months ago.
Jim 16.04 so, equally, it would be naïve to assume that a Remain vote would not be challenged on the grounds that we did not, never have, voted to join the EU, and that we would just go along with the EU's progress towards unification? I don't believe that the majority of Remainers knew what they were voting for t.b.h..
Jim 16.04 so, equally, it would be naïve to assume that a Remain vote would not be challenged on the grounds that we did not, never have, voted to join the EU, and that we would just go along with the EU's progress towards unification? I don't believe that the majority of Remainers knew what they were voting for t.b.h..
There’s naturally been a lot of concern in EU circles that Oct 31 is too soon for the UK parliament and possible also the EU one to pass the withdrawal legislation by Oct 31. It’s not clear what would happen if the Oct 31 came and went and the legislation was not passed. What if extreme Brexiter MPs tried to hold it up so the date came and went and it still wasn’t passed?
So that is why the EU are going to grant this extension if only to make sure this doesn’t happen. The obsession with Oct 31 is ridiculous and puts some supermarkets and their Halloween marketing to shame.
So that is why the EU are going to grant this extension if only to make sure this doesn’t happen. The obsession with Oct 31 is ridiculous and puts some supermarkets and their Halloween marketing to shame.
I notice that the Express article provided by Khandro says that M. Macron's threatened veto to an extension "crushes Remain hopes". Remain should not have any hopes (of remaining). The decision to leave has been taken firstly by the electorate and then by them. It is quite clear that the 80% of MPs who want to remain do not object to the manner of leaving (as they would have us believe). They object to leaving but it's about time they got over themselves.
I hold no brief for the EU whatsoever (!) but on this issue I am with them - this nonsense has gone on for far too long. It is sucking the political, economic and commercial life from both the UK and the EU. The nonsense (for that's what it is) needs to stop.
I hold no brief for the EU whatsoever (!) but on this issue I am with them - this nonsense has gone on for far too long. It is sucking the political, economic and commercial life from both the UK and the EU. The nonsense (for that's what it is) needs to stop.
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