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Boris & His Bus Vindicated (Again)
The High-Court agrees that £350 million is an acceptable figure & this creep can repent at his leisure;
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Ellipsis// If our economy dives //
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Here's the ruling:
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Khandro's claim that 'high court have said, "£350m is an acceptable figure to use in the context of British contributions to the EU budget." Is factually incorrect. The word 'acceptable' does not appear in the ruling.
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Khandro's claim that 'high court have said, "£350m is an acceptable figure to use in the context of British contributions to the EU budget." Is factually incorrect. The word 'acceptable' does not appear in the ruling.
Danny, not on the bus but part of the campaign messaging:
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Nice to see that our economy is doing OK, according to statistics, but the issue is whether it would continue to do OK following a no-deal Brexit.
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Nice to see that our economy is doing OK, according to statistics, but the issue is whether it would continue to do OK following a no-deal Brexit.
TCL: "Is it not common sense to also say what the rebates are, deduct them from the contributions and use the net figure? " - ah me old china! The headline figure is what we would have available to spend as we choose. The net figure is what is left after the EUSSR tells us what to spend some of it on. Thus common sense is to quote the figure we would have available if we are not in the EUSSR. Geddit? nope!
"Is it not common sense to also say what the rebates are, deduct them from the contributions and use the net figure?"
No, because a) we still pay them and get them back, at least for now, later, b) any negotiated rebate is by nature temporary and can be lost causing the full amount to become payable. The wording was fine, everyone knew it wasn't fiddled with by rebate nor grant.
No, because a) we still pay them and get them back, at least for now, later, b) any negotiated rebate is by nature temporary and can be lost causing the full amount to become payable. The wording was fine, everyone knew it wasn't fiddled with by rebate nor grant.
TTT, amounts equal to certain rebates will continue to be paid by the Government.
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That means the Government will not have the full £350 million each week will it?
If some of that £350 million has already been or or will be allocated, how much will there be left to spend? Is it
a) £350 million
b) less than £350 million?
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That means the Government will not have the full £350 million each week will it?
If some of that £350 million has already been or or will be allocated, how much will there be left to spend? Is it
a) £350 million
b) less than £350 million?
> Not during the upheaval period, but afterwards, once all's settled down, we then benefit from not slinging money the EU's way.
How do you know this? I might just as easily say "Our economy will be forever the poorer as a result of leaving the EU" and you (and I) don't know that either. That's why the hypothetical £350M going to the NHS was such a cynical lie.
How do you know this? I might just as easily say "Our economy will be forever the poorer as a result of leaving the EU" and you (and I) don't know that either. That's why the hypothetical £350M going to the NHS was such a cynical lie.
//How do you know this? I might just as easily say "Our economy will be forever the poorer as a result of leaving the EU"// History endlessly shows that advancement is archived by optimists & not pessimists, or to put it more poetically;
“Come to the edge," he said.
"We can't, we're afraid!" they responded.
"Come to the edge," he said.
"We can't, We will fall!" they responded.
"Come to the edge," he said.
And so they came.
And he pushed them.
And they flew.”
― Guillaume Apollinaire (Circa 1910)
“Come to the edge," he said.
"We can't, we're afraid!" they responded.
"Come to the edge," he said.
"We can't, We will fall!" they responded.
"Come to the edge," he said.
And so they came.
And he pushed them.
And they flew.”
― Guillaume Apollinaire (Circa 1910)
//We don’t give up, Khandro, because we think it’s important that stuff is not spun dishonesty.//
Good luck with that then. "Stuff" has been spun since the dawn of time. It's what (all) politicians do. It's the electorate's job to sort the wheat from the chaff. If they promise you fifty pounds, be prepared to receive half a sack full of topsoil. If you take what politicians tell you at face value you've only yourself to blame if your dreams are unfulfilled. I was told when I voted to leave the EU that "the government will implement your decision". I'm still waiting.
Good luck with that then. "Stuff" has been spun since the dawn of time. It's what (all) politicians do. It's the electorate's job to sort the wheat from the chaff. If they promise you fifty pounds, be prepared to receive half a sack full of topsoil. If you take what politicians tell you at face value you've only yourself to blame if your dreams are unfulfilled. I was told when I voted to leave the EU that "the government will implement your decision". I'm still waiting.
We know it because we ain't daft nor are our merchants incapable of success, given our past record as a trading nation.
We would only say, "Our economy will be forever the poorer as a result of leaving the EU", if we had no confidence in our own ability or was hoping to prove a belief that return of sovereignty was not a good thing, by talking us down and trying for failure.
We have no reason to think we're incapable, which is one reason why one can not even start to legitimately claim there was any deception written on the side of the bus.
We would only say, "Our economy will be forever the poorer as a result of leaving the EU", if we had no confidence in our own ability or was hoping to prove a belief that return of sovereignty was not a good thing, by talking us down and trying for failure.
We have no reason to think we're incapable, which is one reason why one can not even start to legitimately claim there was any deception written on the side of the bus.
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