P M Rules Out A Second Changedependence Vote....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49844298
Boris no! let's have a UK wide vote.

[steg]

I’m just waiting for the fittings for my new pure gold lavvy pan, hope they arrive soon. Nothing else really matters the noo

[THECORBYLOON]

The PM is confident about the outcome of a General Election and wants one. Why does he not want a referendum in Scotland?

[spathiphyllum]

Internal squabbles in British Politics makes a complete buffoonery of our current political state. We are an embarrassment. A laughing stock.

We want to be independent? We can't even put our shoes on to get out the door.

Enjoy the ride.

[spathiphyllum]

BoJo has lied to everyone, including the queens face.

To me, that indicates he's also lying to us. (He must be if he had to lie to the queen)

Why would he not?

[jim360]

Would it be appropriate to have a UK-wide vote on whether or not, say, the Falklands were to remain part of the UK? I would assume not.

Although I suppose the rather sad point is that the vote in favour of keeping the Falklands would be overwhelming (perfectly correctly, I stress) -- and yet the entire premise of your question is that English people would be quite happy to kick the Scottish out.

[naomi24]

//Would it be appropriate to have a UK-wide vote on whether or not, say, the Falklands were to remain part of the UK?//

Why? As far as I'm aware the people of the Falklands have never expressed a desire for independence. An extremely poor analogy.

[ToraToraTora]

jim: "and yet the entire premise of your question is that English people would be quite happy to kick the Scottish out. " - well they cost a fortune, are responsible for 50% of the national debt, they get free everything, they've got the Barnett formula and they still do nowt but moan, can you blame us?

[steg]

You forgot your usual “the Scots hate us” jobbies aswell

[jim360]

The point of the analogy is that presumably the reason for a UK-wide vote is the hope that English people would vote the Scottish out even if the Scottish didn't vote in overall favour of independence themselves. In that sense the Falklands picture is even more extreme -- because, as you say, there is no support for the picture. What if there were support to kick those Islands out in the UK? Should our voice be taken over theirs? Clearly not.

The question here is the principle. It is wrong in principle to hold a UK-wide vote on Scottish Independence. Only they can settle the question one way or the other. It is within the UK government's gift to decide whether or not to allow such a referendum, of course, and I don't criticise Johnson for resisting it.

[ToraToraTora]

goes without saying me old china!

[ToraToraTora]

jim as you well know it's a slightly TIC suggestion.

[jim360]

I thought it was from you, TTT, and I did hesitate about whether to post at all. But enough people seem to have proposed the idea more or less seriously that I thought it was worth criticising.

[naomi24]

// What if there were support to kick those Islands out in the UK? Should our voice be taken over theirs? Clearly not. //

Not sure about clearly not. Scotland is costing the rest of us an awful lot of money. Perhaps there is a case for a nationwide referendum.

[aelmpvw]

//Perhaps there is a case for a nationwide referendum//
they go well don't they?

[naomi24]

^ :o)

[THECORBYLOON]

TTT, you are confusing debt with deficit. They are different things but since at least one PM got that wrong, you can be excused.

[steg]

//Not sure about clearly not. Scotland is costing the rest of us an awful lot of money. Perhaps there is a case for a nationwide referendum.//

Hopefully not before my new gold bath arrives

[jim360]

Well, the Falklands cost us quite a lot too. Not nearly so much but still I think we spend more money than we get back.

Not everything has to be reduced to costs, though, right? The international reputation of the UK would be shattered if it were unable to keep itself together. And, in the end, the key question is the right to self-determination. The Falklands should stay in the UK because the Islanders want to. Not because we have more right to it than Argentina has, not because it's strategically important. Because they want to. Scotland should stay in the UK, or leave, as is *their* choice. Not England's.

[naomi24]

//Scotland should stay in the UK, or leave, as is *their* choice. Not England's.//

England? What about the rest? Bit of a Scottish lurgie going on there, Jim. ;o)

//The international reputation of the UK would be shattered if it were unable to keep itself together.//

Oh the irony!!!

[fender62]

we have enough illegals sneaking in already, imagine an independent scotland in the eu schengen group, the migrants would not stop at scotland.