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Greta’S Zero Carbon Journey

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cassa333 | 12:31 Tue 13th Aug 2019 | News
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Isn’t actually zero carbon.

The boat she sails in has a lot of carbon foot print just to make it.

But let’s not let that get in the way of a good story.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49331885

Although I think it pointless to make such publicity stunts it does show up the hypocrisy of all the other ‘good and great’ that jet in and out on their private planes.

But I suppose they have much busier lives than dear Greta.
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Well, as an autistic girl who hates socialising, she is doing pretty well! Am actually somewhat fed up with hearing about her. She was asked what she proposes to do about it. Her answer was that it is for adults and governments to decide, not teenagers. Shouldn't teenagers be informed that their mobile phones and communication industries are one of the worse...
13:41 Tue 13th Aug 2019
//"so-called Climate Change..."

It's not "so-called",//

It depends what you refer to as the "climate" Jim. There seems to be a considerably blurred line between "climate" and "weather". It's easy to prove statistical inks between one thing and another. It is quite a different matter to prove causal links. But we really don't need to continually visit the same arguments.

I shall refer to it as so-called climate change because that's the way I like it. I'm certainly not going to be told by a sixteen year old what I should and shouldn't do. Especially one who considers it is environmentally preferable to cross the ocean in a yacht, the manufacture of which was probably responsible for more carbon emissions that I am likely to be "guilty" of in my lifetime and who considers such a stunt to be preferable to persuading the participants of the conference she is attending to conduct it over a video link.

Politicians may or may not like to take notice of her, that's their privilege and nothing they do surprises me. I'm a little more circumspect when it comes to taking note of the ramblings of a sixteen year old.
"It depends what you refer to as the "climate" Jim. There seems to be a considerably blurred line between "climate" and "weather"."

Yeah they're actually the same thing NJ except the climate is the weather over a recorded period. And it's changing... Fact.
I'm sure the scientists who have discovered these findings did not get confused between the definition of weather and climate.
New Judge have you ever studied or even researched how the industrial revolution affected our climate?
Have you ever studied the Grand Solar Minimum Spat? You should.
I have...
I take it then that you disagree with the findings and research done by N.A.S.A. ?
//New Judge have you ever studied or even researched how the industrial revolution affected our climate?//

Yes, I've dabbled. Importantly I've noticed that we're all still here.

I'm not denying the climate or the weather is changing. It's been changing all my life always has, always will. What I'm not prepared to do is to drastically (or even minimally) adjust my lifestyle when, even if the UK reverted to zero emissions tomorrow, it would make not the slightest difference to those changes. If everybody made the same changes I accept it might (only might) make a difference. But everybody will not make those changes and whilst the principle "culprits" responsible for the lion's share of the alleged root causes have no intention of doing so, neither have I.

People will still be mouthing off about the carbon footprint of this boat when they’re up to their necks in sea water enjoying Chateau Plonk de Yorkshire ...
Will she be sailing back? I hope not.
// [The climate has] been changing all my life always has, always will. //

Shockingly, this fact hasn't escaped the notice of climate scientists either. Indeed, who do you think it even was who discovered this extraordinary revelation?

The present period of climate change is being almost certainly driven heavily by human activity. Yes, China's emissions dwarf the UK's (although no, Greta's boat doesn't outstrip your own lifetime's worth, NJ the average UK carbon footprint is 9tonne/year, so if you've been alive for, say, 10 years, you've definitely contributed more than the boat did).
I realised that in researching the carbon footprint of Greta's boat (which is incidentally somewhat disputed, as it's made of some recycled material -- undoubtedly not 100% green, though) I forgot the rest of my point.

Yes, the climate has always changed, and always will change. But right now it's also virtually certain that human activity is driving it. China may be more of a driver than you are but:

1. if you ignore the problem (and so does the public in the UK in general) then what pressure is there on the politicians to act?
2. If the UK ignores the problem then how can it even try to pressure China into acting?
3. If China ignores the problem then we're screwed.
4. The faster the economy shifts to green(er) methods of generating energy the better anyway, since green(er) is also related to less reliance on fuels that we have to import a lot of.
5. Also it's just a rotten message to send to ignore the overwhelming weight of evidence just because you don't like a youngster telling you what to do. Maybe you should remember that it isn't even, to some extend, Thunberg speaking: she is only communicating the message of decades of research into the subject. It's not her fault you weren't listening then, either.
Bet she comes back from NY on a plane - not unless Richard Branson steps in - but then just how much carbon has been used up in making that boat and all its accessories and safety gear, never mind the clothing that she is wearing - and the rest - and then there is all the travel involved in the press chasing them - or even in stocking the boat with food water and other vitals.

A hard-brassed publicity stunt is all it is.
I'm all for giving a good example to the world but I don't need some annoying gnat buzzing around my ear making out I'm not doing well enough as far as it's concerned. Governments is tasked with ensuring we avoid the worst in the future while not disastrously messing up the present with knee jerk reactions.
It doesn’t do it’s job as you put it, cassa.......we see here selfish people who don’t want to make even small changes and fools who think what she is trying to do is a publicity stunt. Selfish and foolish will see us in deep trouble.
Greta us a truly incredible and inspirational person, what she has done has really touched me and made me reflect on my own life choices, that's all I can say.
New Judge’s ‘trick’ of pretending to be his name, and thus gaining unwarranted credibility, wears very thin.

I have only known one real judge, a QC, and he was thoughtful, firm, sensitive, not one to react or go with the flow; in short, a caring and judicious man.

To have a keyboard warrior attempt to wear his shoes is both hilarious and an insult.

Judge, indeed.
i wonder how shes getting home ?
//New Judge’s ‘trick’ of pretending to be his name, and thus gaining unwarranted credibility, wears very thin.//

What about yours?

Not that it ever, actually, did fly.

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