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retrocop | 23:19 Sat 03rd Aug 2019 | News
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At least 15 reported dead, multiple other casualties. Some severe and a few non life-threatening. 3 suspected multiple shooters detained. What are they 'on' in the states?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/el-paso-multiple-shooters-texas-shopping-centre-police-184700112.html

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Saw this earlier. One man arrested.

On Sky News just now the chyron was saying that the suspect is a "white" man in his twenties. I thought that this broke the journalistic guidelines issued by the NUJ and by the EU advisory body of reporting standards that ethnicity or race were to be mentioned only if directly relevant to the news item, which they clearly are not in this instance.
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Now believed to be a lone wolf attacker despite the Mayor claiming 3 in custody? I notice this lunatic savage wears ear defenders to protect his ears whilst he slaughters innocents including children.


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//I thought that this broke the journalistic guidelines issued by the NUJ and by the EU advisory body of reporting standards that ethnicity or race were to be mentioned only if directly relevant to the news item, which they clearly are not in this instance.//

I suppose that ruling was supposed to prevent readers suspecting the most likely perps. :-(
OK, got it, Retrocop.
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Ta for the link v.e.. My attempt failed. :-)
You'd just left the initial "h" off, Retro.
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So I did. Didn't notice.
Horrendous.
Dreadful news, whatever possessed him?
What a nightmare. More family lives ripped apart.
// Sky News just now the chyron was saying that the suspect is a "white" man in his twenties. I thought that this broke the journalistic guidelines issued by the NUJ //

Sky News were reporting what the US authorities were saying, and they named him, had pictures of a white and in this case, his race was relevant because he had posted anti hispanic racist posts online.
When you and your fellow moderator pair up for the Christmas panto...

No, shut up, VE, you don't want to go there.
> What are they 'on' in the states?

Guns.
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//> What are they 'on' in the states?

Guns.//

That answer just does not wash. I am the owner of four high powered rifles that could reach an effective accurate range of at least a mile. My colleagues in my rifle club also have a selection of single shot magazine loaded rifles. We all,collectively possess thousands of rounds for those rifles.
All of us are stringently vetted with regarding our wish to purchase and use these weapons. We have to justify there purchase.
We have to allow the licensing authority access to our personal medical files to assess what medication we are prescribed, any mental illness or problems with alcohol intake and how much our daily/weekly intake is. Our cars are flagged by DVLC as likely to be conveying firearms . We are restricted where we shoot our firearms. Only on a Home Office approved rifle range suitable for the calibre of weapon held. Our houses have to be inspected and suitable approved door/window locks,burglar alarms,(CCTV a plus)installed. Our firearms and ammunition have to be installed in Home Office approved safes that are inspected. We are not allowed to tell anyone including family members where the keys to these safes are kept. Records have to be shown of the sale and purchase of each firearm to the Licensing authority . Failure could result in imprisonment. A record of useage of ammunition expenditure with limits imposed on amount possessed and purchased. No self loading high calibre firearms or automatics. They are deemed Prohibited weapons. I could go on and on with a miriad more of restriction quite rightly imposed on our sport. NO ONE I have seen shooting at Bisley is likely to go on the rampage in a shopping centre and kill people by the score these days. Hungerford and Dunblane victims were, in the main , killled by serlf loading handguns with multiload magazines.
As a result all handguns are illegal except those held by military and law enforcement Our own British Olympic team are no longer allowed to practise in the UK.
The question again.I ask what the heck are these crazy Americans on. The Australians have stringent firearms legislation now,similar to ours. The Americans can follow our model if they could be bothered.
It would appear that Phsycological profiling would not go amiss on any gunowners or new permit applicants over in the states and that includes their police.
One rookie American cop panicked when a woman's dog ran towards him in a playful manner,drew his firearm and discharged several rounds. He wounded the dog and killed the female owner.

https://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/rookie-us-cop-shoots-at-dog-kills-woman/news-story/8ec82be83f101628cf102256481ac720
Millions of Americans also safely and legally hold guns. But as a nation, a minority of their population has a very unhealthy attitude to guns. They are the ones who are "on" guns. It's inevitable, when you are talking about so many people with so much freedom to bear arms, that you're going to get a sizeable number of bad eggs.

Hypothetically, if you had a say in the establishment of a brand new civilised large country today, from scratch, would your choice be to allow its citizens to bear arms? Mine would not. But America is where it is, through history.
A well armed militia is surely surplus to requirements these days given the military strength and various tiers of law enforcement in the US.

The biggest problem of course is getting the guns from folk who are prepared to fight to keep them. That hardly ever ends well.

Even if an amendment was added to the constitution, you know, that cash cow for lawyers, it would be disregarded/debated/defied until the end of time.

The US is stuck with gun totin' loons.

Well I'm glad you ask that because that is perhaps the answer to the problem.

It's not the guns (if they didnt have them then they would use explosives or drive cars into crowds) it's the way these people think. We (the law abiding public) need to fund research into why this is, done unemotionally and without any preconceptions.
I suspect that the key difference in America is that I think you would struggle to find that many gun-wielding Americans who would be able to right about ..."restrictions quite rightly imposed on [us]" and not explode in anger at the attack on their individual freedoms.

Here's the latest mass shooting to be added to the USA list.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49224816

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