Caster Semenya Looses Case

[youngmafbog]

Victory for the women who race?

I can't see this going away anytime soon so how will this end up, one race for everyone or a separate race for those classed in between?


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/may/01/caster-semenya-loses-landmark-legal-case-iaaf-athletics

[Zacs-Master]

But men and women can have a Y chromosome, Tora. As in Klinefelter syndrome.

[pixie374]

DD, everyone is female by default and change to Male only with certain circumstances, so in theory, a Y chromosome anywhere, the baby "should" be male. Females can only ever be XX. That is not how it is categorised with intersex, though- and probably should be.

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

According to you then, there should be no segregation between male athletes and female athletes after all that would be sexist.

Or to address the question in hand, different levels of testosterone.

[pixie374]

It isn't just about testosterone, aog. Males also have bigger hearts, lungs, more red blood cells, more solid bones, different musculature etc etc. Removing a man's testosterone would still not make it fair.
This may have changed now, but at one point the testosterone level allowed in women's races, was 10x more than an average female produces, so there was an awful lot of leeway anyway. It was looked at recently and I am not sure whether it was changed or not.

[-Talbot-]

You're acting a bit bonkers this morning AOG.

Who would a mixed race athlete race against...black or white athletes?

[pixie374]

Maybe just a head start, Talbot? Depending how dark they are x

[Zacs-Master]

AOG, You're doing your usual 'thing' of trying to conflate 2 unconnected things (in this case sex and race). It's largely the reason your threads go off at such a tangent as people try to keep up with your butterfly like illogical hopping from one aspect to another.
No one wanted to discuss Race but you sought to wedge it in to this thread.

Why don't you start a separate thread on racial superiority?

Oh hang on...............

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes
/// AOG's ability to shoehorn race into a thread about gender is pretty typical - and probably best ignored in case it sends the discussion off down a path that was not intended. ///

This thread is about unfair advantage in athletics, I am quite in order to include other examples, so it is not sending the discussion off track.

But then in your PC eyes one is not allowed to include other examples because in this case it refers to black athletes.

I have already admitted that Black athletes are superior , so how can that be racist, because that is what you seem to be suggesting.

Perhaps if I had stated that White Athletes were inferior, then that would have fitted in with your narrow mindedness.

[Zacs-Master]

'I have already admitted that Black athletes are superior'

wow, how very big of you. Admitting something the rest of the world already knows and accepts.

[pixie374]

I should have said- Females can also be XO. As if there is no sex chromosome, or it doesn't work, the baby would be female too.
What is your suggestion, aog? More fairness for white people?

[-Talbot-]

Zacs Master
'I have already admitted that Black athletes are superior'

wow, how very big of you. Admitting something the rest of the world already knows and accepts.




Does it?
Sounds like a sweeping statement to me.

[Zacs-Master]

If you want to ally yourself to AOG's views, Talbot please feel free. I'll tread a different path.

[ToraToraTora]

Eric the Eel wasn't very good was he?

[-Talbot-]

You're aligning to AOG's view, not me.


Wheres the evidence that blacks are superior athletes?

[Zacs-Master]

You'd best ask AOG, Talbot. But I guess he'd cite (apart from the marathon), the 100 & 200m races.

[Zacs-Master]

He even used the phrase 'colour bar' in this post from 2016:
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1488007.html

[-Talbot-]

There's more to being an athlete than just running.

[Zacs-Master]

Indeed. that's probably why AOG wrote 'Black Athletes are superior in certain sport events'.

[pixie374]

I had thought I was joking, zacs...
There is no comparison between colours, which can be a spectrum, and sex, which is binary. How on earth would you police that?

[Zacs-Master]

But sex isn't binary. As per my Klienfelter syndrome post.