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'tommy Robinson' "not Well Known As He Thinks He Is ... " Shock-Horror!!!!
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I am saying nothing at this stage - I think the report, and the result of the case, says it all.
I am saying nothing at this stage - I think the report, and the result of the case, says it all.
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AOG - // andy-hughes
/// It would appear from the officer's evidence that 'Tommy', as usual, lost no opportunity to turn a conversation with a police officer into a 'news report' for his website, and I think we can reasonably assume that stance 'Tommy' would be taking once his camera phone was out of his pocket - and recording. ///
// Oh so it is okay for the police to record incidents, for evidence but not the public. //
I don't believe that 'Tommy Robinson' was recording 'for evidence' at all, he was grandstanding to his audience, as usual, and obstructing a police officer in the execution of his duty, which is not 'gathering evidence' at all.
// This whole shambles is a disgrace, while there are daily stabbings on our streets and the police are short of officers, they still have time to enter pubs on match days and search and arrest anyone who is allegedly shouting their mouths off, there must be hundreds of arrests each and every match day, or was this just a one off just because it was specifically targeted at Tommy Robinson, even though they didn't know who he was? lol. //
AOG you really must learn to resist the temptation to garland your posts with facts which are simply not true - 'Robinson' was not searched, neither was he arrested - let's debate what happened shall we, not some flowery version that makes him look a 'victim' which is his preferred position, however incorrect it actually is.
/// It would appear from the officer's evidence that 'Tommy', as usual, lost no opportunity to turn a conversation with a police officer into a 'news report' for his website, and I think we can reasonably assume that stance 'Tommy' would be taking once his camera phone was out of his pocket - and recording. ///
// Oh so it is okay for the police to record incidents, for evidence but not the public. //
I don't believe that 'Tommy Robinson' was recording 'for evidence' at all, he was grandstanding to his audience, as usual, and obstructing a police officer in the execution of his duty, which is not 'gathering evidence' at all.
// This whole shambles is a disgrace, while there are daily stabbings on our streets and the police are short of officers, they still have time to enter pubs on match days and search and arrest anyone who is allegedly shouting their mouths off, there must be hundreds of arrests each and every match day, or was this just a one off just because it was specifically targeted at Tommy Robinson, even though they didn't know who he was? lol. //
AOG you really must learn to resist the temptation to garland your posts with facts which are simply not true - 'Robinson' was not searched, neither was he arrested - let's debate what happened shall we, not some flowery version that makes him look a 'victim' which is his preferred position, however incorrect it actually is.
SparklyKid - // An absolute stitch up. Are we to believe that a police sergeant does not know what TR looks like. It looks like the copper was after brownie points by intimidating TR. //
I would certainly believe it - only 'Tommy Robinson' and his followers think he is actually well-known - he is not, which is the entire point of my OP.
I would certainly believe it - only 'Tommy Robinson' and his followers think he is actually well-known - he is not, which is the entire point of my OP.
Just an observation but,if he was not important and unknown to the police officers then why did three policemen known as 'Spotters' follow TR and his family after the match to the pub? One was filming them.Then one of the policemen told the landlord that TR and his family had been part of a rowdy lot at the match.Something doesn't seem right .
AOG - // // You'd have to blame' Tommy' for that - he's the one with the persecution complex!! ///
And he has every reason to have a persecution complex, just the same as those black people do, who are forever complaining about being stopped and searched. //
Do you really think those two are analogous?
I think an unknown youth being stopped and searched on the basis that he is a teenager and black is unreasonable, the fact that 'Tommy Robinson' is an object of police intelligence is entirel another.
One may be going about their business, the other is drinking with a group perceived as potential troublemakers, and he has convictions for hooliganism and violence - which do you think should be attracting police attention?
// Recognised as a 80's football hooligan???? Tommy wasn't born until 1982. //
I have no idea what you are talking about, I made no such reference - if you are addressing me, try and stick things I have said, and facts that are reported, it helps sensible debate.
And he has every reason to have a persecution complex, just the same as those black people do, who are forever complaining about being stopped and searched. //
Do you really think those two are analogous?
I think an unknown youth being stopped and searched on the basis that he is a teenager and black is unreasonable, the fact that 'Tommy Robinson' is an object of police intelligence is entirel another.
One may be going about their business, the other is drinking with a group perceived as potential troublemakers, and he has convictions for hooliganism and violence - which do you think should be attracting police attention?
// Recognised as a 80's football hooligan???? Tommy wasn't born until 1982. //
I have no idea what you are talking about, I made no such reference - if you are addressing me, try and stick things I have said, and facts that are reported, it helps sensible debate.
retrocop - // //There is no evidence in the link that the pub security team were present, or that they offered the officer the benefit of their opinion - I would suggest that he would have ignored them anyway, were they arrogant enough to intervene in a police matter, which I seriously doubt. //
AH
If you take the time to watch relevant clips from the link I provided you will see that a female with SECURITY written on her tabbard approached the Police and remonstrated with them. She and the landlady told the posse that TR and Co were causing NO trouble.
You are correct in one thing though. The police did ignore them!
Your 'serious doubt' is misplaced //
I am happy to concede that my statement is incorrect, but it was based on the evidence in the report to which I linked in my OP - I was unaware of any video footage of the incident.
I will be looking at the clip as soon as I have waded through all the posts that have addressed my position while I have been out.
AH
If you take the time to watch relevant clips from the link I provided you will see that a female with SECURITY written on her tabbard approached the Police and remonstrated with them. She and the landlady told the posse that TR and Co were causing NO trouble.
You are correct in one thing though. The police did ignore them!
Your 'serious doubt' is misplaced //
I am happy to concede that my statement is incorrect, but it was based on the evidence in the report to which I linked in my OP - I was unaware of any video footage of the incident.
I will be looking at the clip as soon as I have waded through all the posts that have addressed my position while I have been out.
AOG - // And why not, when there are killers, rapists and known potential terrorists walking our streets free from persecution. //
It is never an acceptable defence to defend one incident by pointing out that there are other worse incidents - that is simply a fact of life, it is not a defence for behaviour in either situation.
Tommy's only crime is that he has the courage to voice his opinions on the rise of Islam in this country.
It is never an acceptable defence to defend one incident by pointing out that there are other worse incidents - that is simply a fact of life, it is not a defence for behaviour in either situation.
Tommy's only crime is that he has the courage to voice his opinions on the rise of Islam in this country.
AOG - // Tommy's only crime is that he has the courage to voice his opinions on the rise of Islam in this country. //
'Tommy Robinson's extensive criminal record is a matter of public record, so voicing his opinions is not his only crime - ironically, that is not a crime at all - just the rest of the things he has done.
'Tommy Robinson's extensive criminal record is a matter of public record, so voicing his opinions is not his only crime - ironically, that is not a crime at all - just the rest of the things he has done.
sanmac - // Six rants in a very short time period...You call that a "debate"? //
I don't believe it's actually possible to 'rant' in print, you have to be speaking in an impassioned way.
I am not 'impassioned' by 'Tommy Robinson's antics at all, amused, but not impassioned!
I am just responding to the posts that have come in while I have been absent - no ranting there I assure you.
I don't believe it's actually possible to 'rant' in print, you have to be speaking in an impassioned way.
I am not 'impassioned' by 'Tommy Robinson's antics at all, amused, but not impassioned!
I am just responding to the posts that have come in while I have been absent - no ranting there I assure you.
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