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ToraToraTora | 09:52 Wed 13th Feb 2019 | News
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47211971
"Giving tougher sentences will prevent people from carrying knives because nobody wants to go to jail for 10 or 15 years just for carrying a knife."
So lets start banging these savages up for at least 10 years a piece no remission.
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I could not agree more.

But I wont be holding my breath. The liberal elite will soon be out in force the the poor little darlings 'ooman rights.
I thought that a few years ago under a Labour administration laws were enacted to ensure a custodial sentence for knife carrying, but, with the usual let out for lenient judges it was left to their discretion. So if there is a real determination to get rid of this social evil make the judges imprison for a minimum term (term to be decided) on first conviction.
We're gonna need a bigger jail.
Exactly, doooogie.
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Build em then, better still put them in Butlins it's tougher!
Brilliant idea! Maybe we could get the EU to pay for them! Oh.....hang on.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/766647/uk-prisons-chaos-new-jails-eu-money-eastern-europe
Why would the EU pay for them? We wont be in the EU.

Building more jails - tough jails - needs to be done. The population has increased and criminal activity will always be a percentage although of course it has been skewed even worse by allowing a lot of east euopean scum (not working people, their countries dreggs)

We could of course stop jailing pensioners for not paying their tv licence to free up a few spaces :-)
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I'd be happy to outsource to eastern Europe ZM.
I can clearly see I’m in the presence of some high level thinkers here so I’ll bow out.
Apprehension in top gear this morning, ZM. :-)
And yet again we get the supercilious condescending remarks from ZM when he clearly has little or no argument.

TTT, I'f prefer to outsource to Turkey or Thailand, especially for long term prisoners. They know how to run a jail.
A little, doooogie. Given the chief proponents of such insightful arguments thus far ;-)
a cheaper option (but of course the pc brigade will blow a fuse) to save us billions on keeping these low life in jail for 10 /15 years do the middle east thing. 40 lashes ,jails not feared enough but pain is !
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well if this former savage is correct we will end up with less people in jail for carrying knives.
Wouldn't work. They'd just hide blades where easily retrieved and expect not to get caught carrying one. One needs a more sophisticated strategy than that. You need to change attitudes in the community, especially of youths & younger.
Has nobody thought of finding out how Germany, France, Spain, Italy and more than twenty other countries are able to weasel out of building prisons in the Balkans, while we pay the full cost?

Presumably leaving the EU is the best way to improve our prisons, given the crippling reduction in staff we have imposed on ourselves.

And of course the EU will pay once we have left. The US isn't in Mexico, but President Trump is applauded for the border wall he is charging them for.
// You need to change attitudes in the community, especially of youths & younger. //

That and tough sentencing. It isn't one or the other, and the sentencing is part of what drives the change in attitude.

I've heard it said that there should be no prison sentences under 6 months - ie imprisonment should be reserved for serious crime, and sentences should be long. Anything not serious enough to warrant at least 6 months inside should be dealt with by community service or whatever.

I'd be in favour of that, but of course you'd have to make sentences realistic in the first place. No more slaps on the wrist or suspended sentences for knife wielding thugs.
With you 100% ludwig.

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Here goes ……. Bring back birching ..
I honestly do not believe that longer sentences would act as a deterrent, the argument is the same for that of Capital Punishment, and the reasons for denying its efficacy are exactly the same.

Carrying a knife, like murdering someone, is not the action of a rational thinker.

Knives are not carried by people who think about consequences, who look ahead, who understand cause and effect.

I would willingly bet that every single convicted murderer would agree that they were not considering the consequences of their actions at the time they acted.

People who carry knives do so because they believe it accords them 'respect' from their peers, and that very thought process illustrates perfectly that they don't understand the first thing about the concept of what respect actually is, how it is obtained, and what it means in society.

People who carry and use knives don't think about consequences, responsibility, and certainly not respect - not what they call 'respect' which is actually just fear, and that's very different.

The idea of telling them that they will spend longer in jail merely encourages them to increase their 'reputation' with their contempt of the law, coupled with an inbuilt sense of invincibility that they obtain by mixing with like-minded isolated unhappy immature young people.

The way to stop knife crime is to educate children about respect for themselves and each other, and that is something the government fails to do, as have all others before them.

Treat the problem, prolong the problem, eradicate the cause of the problem, solve the problem.
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