What Can Be Done About Climate Change

[emmie]

is it a natural occurrence, after all the climate has changed over billions of years - is this really what we will come to.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46398057

[spathiphyllum]

"I wonder if they'll announce it"

They have...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/08/global-warming-must-not-exceed-15c-warns-landmark-un-report

[spathiphyllum]

http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-un-has-warned-that-we-only-have-12-years-to-curb-climate-change-2018-10?r=US&IR=T

[spathiphyllum]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/climate-change-ipcc-environment-paris-agreement-global-warming-a8573811.html

[Togo]

//so do nothing togo, is that what you are saying. //
I did not suggest that Emmie. However I did suggest that we are perhaps doing the wrong "thing". We should be concentrating on what the scenario will be should(they will) natural disasters occur. Either Earthly threats or the natural threats from space. The activity of our life giving and subsequently life taking sun being just one. Instead we are being whipped into a self righteous frenzy of angst, and futile measures at great cost that will have make an iota of difference when the effluent does hit the big whirry thing.(wind farm perhaps) As Churchill famously said...….."Don't just do something, sit there".

[spathiphyllum]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-45775309

[spathiphyllum]

I wonder if people will listen and act

https://media.tenor.com/images/b40e012f9ed5a9f6edb8c0cba2469e68/tenor.gif

[vetuste_ennemi]

I was about to have a go about political attitudes, but I see its gone full frontal on the climate change conspiracy.

I won't be put off, however.

This is back to an Ellipsis post:

//People with not much life left, who hate the world and all its people, plants and animals, including their own descendants if any, might have a vested interest in destroying it//

ITo which I replied:

suppose there are some people like that, Ellipsis.

Myself, I don't have much life (nor, perhaps, much appetite for it) left. And no descendants saving surrogates from my late wife. Nonetheless I'm somewhat fond of the world, its plants, its animals and even some of its people.

MOre Ellipsis: "I have a vested interest in preserving a planet that's at least as good for the next generation as it is for this one".

Almost a conservative statement (as in Edmund Burke, although he was talking not about the physical environment, but about culture, which, similarly, is finely balanced and hostage to shock). But the conservative principle is not based on vested interest[i, it's based on moral duty. The essence of conservatism is gratitude for the good things we've inherited, conserving [i]those] and improving the bad bits. All this as opposed to radical "solutions" which see the bad, want to tear it up and start again tabula rasa. An impatient and destructive idealism which most of us suffer from in our youth, and some of us outlive.

Right, I've gpt that off my chest.

[spathiphyllum]

Surely you can only have a moral duty to something when you're interested in being a good person. If your interests are not to be a good person then your morals are non existent or warped.

[emmie]

most people are good, and want to do the best they can with what they have. But we are crashing all our resources, the animals are losing their habitats so quickly its hard to keep up, and we aren't exactly doing much about the climate and its changing nature. Whether its man made or not i have seen a marked difference in the weather over the last few years, making me wonder at our interference in this world and our footprint is too big for this world to cope with.

[hereIam]

It is too big for the world to cope with em and as I have already said, I think this is how the world will end ..

[vetuste_ennemi]

Emmie, David Attenborough (a saint in my and my late wife's eyes) is not a climatologist. Neither is AB's foremost physicist.

I'll repeat an analogy I deployed a month or so ago.

Despite the "seeming" chaos of the solar system astro-physicists can predict with minutes when Halley's comet will next appear above Market Harborough. There is no meteorologist who can predict with any certainty Market Harborough will be wet or dry in two months time.

That's because "weather" is a truly chaotic system. I think that means too many variables to calculate. But that doesn't stop climate scientists using predictions based on modelling techniques used by the exact sciences.

[douglas9401]

Taxation is the cure for what ails us, we're still in the softening-up period though.

If we think Paris at the weekend was a bit scary just wait till the hopeless, legacy-seeking politicians get their teeth into the problem.

I suppose there's a slim chance that they'll lead by example and do away with their endless globe trotting junkets and move to video conferencing, making do with a packed lunch instead of all the folderol of banquets and such.

Fat chance though, they're worth it, at least in their and their hangers-on's minds.

[emmie]

sorry end it would be then, surely its up to the heads of governments to agree a plan to take us forward. I do despair at our lack of compassion towards our animal kingdom.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Which is not saying we shouldn't care, but admitting that in many cases we don't know.

There are obviously destructive things like poisoning the oceans with plastic which we ca and should do something about.

[Spicerack]

The average Carbon Footprint of people in Europe is 10x+ the average Third Worlder.
So the quickest fix would be to stop importing them.

[Spicerack]

Don't listen to anything the BBC says, emmie,,,,,,,,about anything.

[emmie]

i get the news from various sources and like people's opinions on AB. Hence the question.

[bainbrig]

Mr Trump and his merry men say it’s all Fake News, it’s All Bunkum dreamed up lefties and goddamned liberals.

Who are we to argue with such a Great Man?

[10ClarionSt]

Im with Togo and Sparklykid on this. I strongly believe that volcanoes are the main driving force of climate on this planet. The Iceland volcano 8 years ago put more emissions into the atmosphere in one day than the previous 50 years of industry. The Earth is still emeging from the previous ice age and will naturally continue to warm up with geological effects along with it, e.g. Glacial Bounceback, which accounts for some coastal areas now being under water. Togo has given lots of information. I too believe it's an attempt to gain power by rich people at the xpense of the masses. Trump probably knows this too but won't say it whilst he's still in office.
We should be more concerned about plastic pollution and deforestation rather than listening to the obsessive nutcase Sir Attenborough, who blames humans for everything and is in favour of population control. It's der volcanoes wot dunnit yer magnitude!

[jim360]

It's not a matter of belief, Clarion, it's simply wrong. Volcanic eruptions are anyway fairly constant, so cannot be responsible for the short-term fluctuation we're seeing.