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7 More Pakistani Men, Found Guilty Of Child Grooming.
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It is reported that the seventh man who is guilty of rape cannot be named for legal reasons, any one know how this can be?
It is reported that the seventh man who is guilty of rape cannot be named for legal reasons, any one know how this can be?
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Shortly after Rochdale, ten (white) men in North Yorkshire were convicted of grooming and sexually assaulting young girls. No, of course you didn’t know.
Maybe the cases are linked by the fact that all the men involved in all the cases were ‘night’ workers (minicab drivers, takeaway shop staff, etc) - part of the demi-world, not part of mainstream life.
And maybe the girls, from poorly socialised families, are searching for some sort of spurious stability.
Whatever. It’s certainly more complex than ‘all Pakistani men are child molesters’ or the insulting and totally unfounded accusation that there is some organic link between such crime and Islam.
Maybe the cases are linked by the fact that all the men involved in all the cases were ‘night’ workers (minicab drivers, takeaway shop staff, etc) - part of the demi-world, not part of mainstream life.
And maybe the girls, from poorly socialised families, are searching for some sort of spurious stability.
Whatever. It’s certainly more complex than ‘all Pakistani men are child molesters’ or the insulting and totally unfounded accusation that there is some organic link between such crime and Islam.
"It’s certainly more complex than ‘all Pakistani men are child molesters’"
I don't think anybody on this thread has suggested that all Pakistani men are child molesters (or sexual predators, to be more accurate). What I think is being suggested is that many men convicted of this type of offence seem to be of Pakistani origin.
All peas are green, but not everything that's green is a pea, you see. A principle often overlooked in debates such as this.
I don't think anybody on this thread has suggested that all Pakistani men are child molesters (or sexual predators, to be more accurate). What I think is being suggested is that many men convicted of this type of offence seem to be of Pakistani origin.
All peas are green, but not everything that's green is a pea, you see. A principle often overlooked in debates such as this.
// It’s certainly more complex than ‘all Pakistani men are child molesters’ or the insulting and totally unfounded accusation that there is some organic link between such crime and Islam//
It's certainly more complex than that - I agree. But, insulting as it may be, there is nothing unfounded in the accusation that there is an "organic link between such crime and Islam".
The early Muslims under Mohammed constantly raided caravans and made war on non-Muslims. Enslavement and the rape of women captives was practised routinely, and, indeed, is endorsed by the Koran.
It's certainly more complex than that - I agree. But, insulting as it may be, there is nothing unfounded in the accusation that there is an "organic link between such crime and Islam".
The early Muslims under Mohammed constantly raided caravans and made war on non-Muslims. Enslavement and the rape of women captives was practised routinely, and, indeed, is endorsed by the Koran.
However, on the Bainbrig post I last commented on, I approve of this paragraph:
"Maybe the cases are linked by the fact that all the men involved in all the cases were ‘night’ workers (minicab drivers, takeaway shop staff, etc) - part of the demi-world, not part of mainstream life."
Bainbrig is asking an obvious question: given identical crimes being committed in many towns and cities in England what are the common factors(if any) which link them. It seems inconsistent of him that Bainbrig thinks it OK to point out that the perpetrators largely work in the "night-time economy", but doesn't think it's OK to point out that most of them are Muslim.
Well, "the cases are linked" by the fact that they're mainly night workers, and[i by the fact they're mainly Pakistani, [i]and[i] by the fact they're mainly Muslim. It doesn't follow, of course, that they commit the crimes [i]because] of any, some or all of these factors.
"Maybe the cases are linked by the fact that all the men involved in all the cases were ‘night’ workers (minicab drivers, takeaway shop staff, etc) - part of the demi-world, not part of mainstream life."
Bainbrig is asking an obvious question: given identical crimes being committed in many towns and cities in England what are the common factors(if any) which link them. It seems inconsistent of him that Bainbrig thinks it OK to point out that the perpetrators largely work in the "night-time economy", but doesn't think it's OK to point out that most of them are Muslim.
Well, "the cases are linked" by the fact that they're mainly night workers, and[i by the fact they're mainly Pakistani, [i]and[i] by the fact they're mainly Muslim. It doesn't follow, of course, that they commit the crimes [i]because] of any, some or all of these factors.
Of course the ‘early Muslims’ committed awful crimes. As did the Crusading Christians, the God-fearing US settlers as they wiped out the native Americans, and on, and on, down the centuries.
No right-thinking person can point the finger at any group (or religion) and apportion exclusive guilt. All groups, all religions, are equally culpable, at some stage in their history.
To argue differently is infantile, I’m afraid.
No right-thinking person can point the finger at any group (or religion) and apportion exclusive guilt. All groups, all religions, are equally culpable, at some stage in their history.
To argue differently is infantile, I’m afraid.
You miss the point, Bainbrig.
I'm not saying that some early Muslims acted badly, I'm saying that Mohammed himself, the perfect model of conduct for all Muslims, was a serial rapist, and that the holy scriptures of Islam endorse the rape of non-Muslims.
Do you understand what i'm saying? I'm not sure I can make it any clearer.
I'm not saying that some early Muslims acted badly, I'm saying that Mohammed himself, the perfect model of conduct for all Muslims, was a serial rapist, and that the holy scriptures of Islam endorse the rape of non-Muslims.
Do you understand what i'm saying? I'm not sure I can make it any clearer.
vetuste. You write “I'm not saying that some early Muslims acted badly, I'm saying that Mohammed himself, the perfect model of conduct for all Muslims, was a serial rapist, and that the holy scriptures of Islam endorse the rape of non-Muslims.“
Now, if that IS true, it is disturbing and enlightening. Sources and references, please (because I do appreciate that the crimes perpetrated by the followers of Christ weren’t modelled on his behaviour!).
BB
Now, if that IS true, it is disturbing and enlightening. Sources and references, please (because I do appreciate that the crimes perpetrated by the followers of Christ weren’t modelled on his behaviour!).
BB
spathiphyllum
/// Doesn't change the fact not one thread was about the topic in my answer at 17:07 but their will always be 100's of threads like these... Odd. I personally would have thought there would have been a thread. ///
That was one case, there will always be paedophiles no matter what race or religion, the reason there is so much concern about these Pakistani child grooming gangs is because they are popping up on such a wise scale all over the country.
/// Doesn't change the fact not one thread was about the topic in my answer at 17:07 but their will always be 100's of threads like these... Odd. I personally would have thought there would have been a thread. ///
That was one case, there will always be paedophiles no matter what race or religion, the reason there is so much concern about these Pakistani child grooming gangs is because they are popping up on such a wise scale all over the country.
andy-hughes
/// There is a climate of suspicion and fear around communities comprised of people who have roots outside Europe, and this is perpetuated and stoked by the media and this is another
example. ///
What do you suggest, that if certain crimes are committed by those "who have roots outside Europe" they should not be reported by the media, just in case it might "create a climate of suspicion and fear" against those certain communities?
/// Fear sells newspapers, that is a sad, but true fact. ///
They also make people aware of impeding dangers, that does not necessary create fear, but awareness.
/// There is a climate of suspicion and fear around communities comprised of people who have roots outside Europe, and this is perpetuated and stoked by the media and this is another
example. ///
What do you suggest, that if certain crimes are committed by those "who have roots outside Europe" they should not be reported by the media, just in case it might "create a climate of suspicion and fear" against those certain communities?
/// Fear sells newspapers, that is a sad, but true fact. ///
They also make people aware of impeding dangers, that does not necessary create fear, but awareness.
Spicerack
It is no only some on here, it would seem that even the media are frightened in case certain communities are show in a negative way. It is all part of this seeking 'togetherness', but this in turn drives a division between us, people should be free to criticise no matter what nationality or religion the perpetrators of wrong doings belong to.
It is no only some on here, it would seem that even the media are frightened in case certain communities are show in a negative way. It is all part of this seeking 'togetherness', but this in turn drives a division between us, people should be free to criticise no matter what nationality or religion the perpetrators of wrong doings belong to.
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