More Foreigners Who Hate Democracy

[youngmafbog]

I do wonder how long this chap can keep doing a Ratner before his business gets trashed.

I like the comment from easyjet CEO though: 'If you start grounding your planes, I'm flying.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5469581/Ryanair-boss-Michael-OLeary-threatens-ground-planes-post-Brexit.html

[tonyav]

"Michael's comments were misreported; we’re not planning any stunts. We want both sides to do a deal and we support the British Government in doing a deal quickly so we know what's happening. Then we can get on with making our contribution to what we think should be the replacement of open skies.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/ryanair-backtracks-on-threat-to-ground-flights-after-brexit/ar-BBJZn9t?li=BBoPWjQ

[naomi24]

//easyjet CEO 'If you start grounding your planes, I'm flying.' //

I wish I could give that 'Best Answer'.

I detest Ryanair. I'd sooner fly multiple stops with another company than direct with them.

[cassa333]

We flew with Ryan Air to Dublin a couple of weeks ago. Both outbound and return were half an hour late departing. Good job we weren't looking for connecting flights.

If they ground flights other airlines will take up the slack. He won't do it though because he is a business man and he felt it I need his pocket when they had all the cancellations last year. Do we really think he will do it on purpose this time?

Anyway two delayed flights is enough for me. One of the other lowcost airlines will get my business next time.

[naomi24]

The last time I flew with Ryanair, which was quite a few years ago, the ground staff on the return journey insisted on only one piece of hand-luggage per passenger – and that included coats and duty free. If you couldn’t get your coat in your bag you had to wear it – and if you couldn’t get anything you’d bought in the departure lounge in your bag you had to throw it away. Bottles of alcohol, packs of cigarettes, and expensive perfumes all went in the bin. Additionally, I’d paid for priority boarding only to be told that it wasn’t available at that airport. I have never witnessed anything like it in my life. Absolutely disgraceful. Mr O’Leary can keep his airline. Never again. I'll stick with BA.

[Khandro]

In the early days of Ryanair flying to somewhere exotic for 99p was considered cool, but nowadays flying Ryanair is somehow a bit cheap and tawdry, something to keep quiet about, like shopping at Poundland.

[Garaman]

I use Ryanair quite a bit for flights around Europe and I don't find them as bad as others make out. I always book one of the better seats with extra legroom and I am not bothered about eating on a short flight so it suits me fine. They don't offer service like in the old days, but they don't charge prices like in the old days either.

If I go long-haul it would have to be business class though.

[youngmafbog]

Ryan air has its advantages for some but when I have looked at them they are no cheaper than anyone else once you have added what you need on. They are best if you can just walk on like a bus.

"Michael's comments were misreported"

So this is totally made up then?

[Hopkirk]

Cassandra, you complain about flights being half an hour late, but in my considerable experience of flying, that is not bad at all. Anyone planning connecting flights that tight would be very unwise.

I am no fan of Ryanair, but I believe that punctuality wise they are pretty good.

[Hopkirk]

Autocorrect strikes again. Cassa, not Cassandra.

[jno]

Don't imagine flying EasyJet instead will be nirvana

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/dec/05/easyjet-complaints-compensation-claims-denied

[Khandro]

##During his LBC radio show, Mr Farage delivered a sharp rebuke to the anti-Brexit flight threat and reminded listeners of Mr O'Leary past remarks on the EU.

He said: "Mr O'Leary thinks it's in our interests – by which he means the EU – not for a long period of time, to ground the aircraft, to stop people being able to leave the country!

"He believes this will persuade the average British voter that they were lied to in the referendum debate and prompt a change of heart.

"There was a time a few years ago when you called the European Commission the ‘evil empire’.

"And you said in the first referendum on Dublin that the Irish should vote No." ##

[Garaman]

Mr O'Leary is a complete prat, but I thought everyone knew that.

[New Judge]

“Never again. I'll stick with BA.”

The trouble is, naomi, that BA are gradually but surely dragging their services down “budget” airline level. Here’s just the latest of many proposals announced recently:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/03/06/british-airways-seats-shrink-airline-squeezes-passengers-boeing/

It’s interesting that Mr O’Leary uses the issue that people were lied to in the run up to the referendum. As I have said before, the electorate is always lied to during political campaigns. That’s what politicians do (though they always say, as Mr O’Leary’s representative has on this occasion, that they were “misquoted” or that their remarks were taken out of context). Whatever it is, it is up to the electorate to see through the lies and make their decision accordingly. Both sides in the referendum debate were equally guilty of stretching the truth. Similarly, both camps of voters suffered misunderstandings. Garaman’s grasp of how travel for UK citizens in the Schengen area would change (or not, as it happens) post-Brexit demonstrates this clearly.

[naomi24]

NJ, //The trouble is, naomi, that BA are gradually but surely dragging their services down “budget” airline level. //

Indeed, but they're not there yet and, unlike Ryanair, BA continues to offer something resembling an acceptably civilised service. Additionally if business is to thrive they have to be competitive - at least in economy class. People don’t use Ryanair for the service it provides but because it appears cheap – until all the extras are added on – when tickets can end up costing more than BA – and other airlines.

[jourdain2]

N-J I used to fly Ryanair quite a lot until a couple of years ago (the only service from either Poitiers or Limoges to Leeds/Bradford) and I can confirm that I always had to show my passport at either end of the journey. I do remember 'baa-ing', along with a lot of others, as we were herded along and with a lot of other ladies, ostentatiously removing our handbags from our '1 piece of hand luggage' the moment we had gone through Boarding.

[Garaman]

I don't think anyone is disputing that, jourdain, and it was ever thus. NJ was correcting my misunderstanding of how it works for people who come from areas not in the Schengen area, but who fly between two airports within the area. I was wrong in my understanding of how that works (though perhaps not wrong in how it is currently working in some countries).

[jourdain2]

:0) Garaman

[New Judge]

"N-J I used to fly Ryanair quite a lot until a couple of years ago (the only service from either Poitiers or Limoges to Leeds/Bradford) and I can confirm that I always had to show my passport at either end of the journey."

You would do because the UK is not in the Schengen area. If you travel within the Schengen area you need only provide proof of identity (for security purposes, not immigration status) and this is usually done at the beginning of your trip.

[Theland]

I certainly wasn't lied to in the referendum.
I was going to mention Rat ears but some smart Alec beat me to it.
Let's hope he goes down the pan.
I'll just get the bus!

[New Judge]

"I certainly wasn't lied to in the referendum."

Almost undoubtedly you were, Theland - by both sides.

Here's one that immediately springs to mind:

Publishing Treasury analysis, Chancellor George Osborne said "a Leave vote would cause an "immediate and profound" economic shock, with growth between 3% and 6% lower."

There were no ifs, no caveats, no "worst case scenario" provisos. He was also not referring to the period after we had left. The vote itself would cause these catastrophes.