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Would The Government Show More Concern If It Were White Youngsters Who Were Being Killed?

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anotheoldgit | 11:17 Thu 01st Feb 2018 | News
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/26/doreen-lawrence-if-stab-victims-were-white-mps-would-care-more

Doreen Lawrence seems to think so, but was this a racist comment for a peer of the realm to make.

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They are trying to do something about the current wave of killings, schools being faced with some of those who were in gangs and carried knives, more youth centres should be made available, somewhere for the young to go. If they were white lads being killed i don't think it would make a difference to be honest, a life lost is a lost life, whatever the colour. You have
to get at the reasons knife crime is so prevalent.
Not an easy ask.
Perhaps someone should show her these figures. Or is Diane Abbot doing the maths for her?

//What do we know about race and crime in London?
Nine out of 10 street crimes, knife crimes and gun crimes are committed by men rather than women.
Twelve per cent of London’s men are black. But 54 per cent of the street crimes committed by men in London, along with 46 per cent of the knife crimes and more than half of the gun crimes, are thought by the Metropolitan Police to have been committed by black men.//

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856404/Police-statistics-shed-fresh-light-on-link-between-crime-and-race.html
You really can't blame her for believing this to be true.

And,no, it's not a racist comment, AOG.
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jackthehat

Oh so you don't think that if a white Tory Lord who was concerned about white youngsters being killed, was to say "If they had been black youngsters they would do something about it", you don't think then that there would be cries of racism from Labour, and calls for his resignation?.
Yes. I don't.
The prisons are not even safe. Stabbings are taking place inside as well as out. The victim has been named as "25-year-old Saleh Khader."

//An inmate contacted the Daily Express after the knife attack in the prison in west London at about 3pm on an upper landing.
He claimed the victim, believed to be a Somalian aged about 20, was ambushed outside his cell by up to 10 members of what he described as a rival “postcode” gang from north London.
He said: “I was on the floor below and heard the fighting. Someone who actually saw it happen was absolutely distraught.
“There was complete confusion because there aren’t enough staff here and they have no control. They couldn’t even identify the young man because there was confusion over his name.//

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/912800/Wormwood-Scrubs-prisoner-stabbed-death-gang-murder-suspected-Scotland-Yard
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It's not a racist comment but I'm sure if the roles were reversed the left would be jumping up and down about it being racist.

Would they do more for white boys? No I dont thing they can do much under current legislation.
No, not racist at all AOG.

Doreen Lawrence had to fight tooth and nail to get her sons murderers convicted. The Police's reaction, when they first arrived on the scene was disbelief that Stephen had been murdered because he was black and that disbelief continued for a long time after. There are still people that don't accept it.

In the end, the Police were found to be institutionaly racist.

So I think she has a very strong point
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mikey4444

Was he murdered because he was black?

I don't know much about the case but what evidence was there of that fact?

Or was he murdered because of what might have took place between the murderer and Stephen Lawrence?
jeez you really have it in for DL don't you!!
No its not racist its stating a fact!
Yes he was murdered because he was black
and it was 'murderers !! As in plural!
Nasty cowardly individuals who picked on 2 boys because they were black!!
AOG....Nothing "took place between the murders and Stephen"

He and his friend were waiting for a bus, some white boys came past,, and they murdered him precisely because he as black....there was no other motive.

Quite frankly, I am amazed that you should even think of making the comment that you did. It was ignorant in the extreme.

If you recall, the newspaper that you so often quote from, the Daily Mail, played a very significant part in the murderers final apprehension and conviction.....some thing I am quite happy to give my full appreciation and support to.
AOG....amazingly, you say that you" don't know much about the case"

You must be one of the few people that don't.

So, here is everything you ever needed to know about the Stephen Lawrence affair ::

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Stephen_Lawrence
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mikey4444

Well I have read your link and I still cannot see that the murder was racial motivated ie just because he was black.

It would seem that some verbal had taken place between Laurence and the white youths, hence "What, what" (I won't add the racist description), asked by the white youths.

So one could say that perhaps both would not have crossed if nothing had been said.

Do you believe that the killers would have crossed the road to kill Laurence, just because he was black?

Not condoning it in anyway, that what in the end took place, just querying the reason for the murder, you understand.

/// At or just after 10:38 pm, he called out to ask whether Lawrence saw the bus coming. Brooks claimed that he heard one of Lawrence's assailants saying: "What, what, n****r?" as they all quickly crossed the road and "engulfed" Lawrence, ///
The thugs who killed this poor boy were definitely racist, the police had video evidence of them using racist language about different nationalities and it did take the police a long time to act and I remember feeling dreadfully sorry for Doreen Lawrence at the time, and still do actually.
AOG

Yes, it was a racist murder.

I don’t think there’s much value in pondering that one.

Regarding the OP. I think it’s admirable that someone with such a high profile is standing up and speaking out about knife violence. And I think Baroness Lawrence makes a fair point.
AOG....your ignorance on this subject is incredible.....you should be ashamed of yourself.

Read the link I sent you again.
AOG

You posted:

//I don't know much about the case//

This is now the seventh thread you’ve raised about either Stephen or Doreen Lawrence.

I’m curious as to how you’ve managed to avoid finding out information about the case in all the years you’ve focussed on both Stephen and Doreen.

Did you not read any of the answers and/or links provided?
SP....AOG refuses to acknowledge that the crime was racist, as it doesn't coincide with his own prejudices.

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