Britain First Deputy Leader Jayda Fransen Is Arrested For Making An Anti-Terrorism Speech.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5096451/Britain-deputy-leader-Jayda-Fransen-arrested.html

[Togo]

Just another slur Baldric. Happens too often not to be deliberate.

[vetuste_ennemi]

As usual the key issue is avoided. It is not Ms Fransen and her "they're all out to get us". Britain First, BNP and the old National Front o Tyndall an co. (one of my best friends was a member - no surprise there, eh?) are now and were then almost totally irrelevant. They're never going to win seats in Parliament, they're never going to run local councils and they're never going to be school governors.

The issue the "most Muslims", the not all Muslims" and the "nice man I buy my fruit from" people are avoiding is "What is being taught in the mosques?".

[sp1814]

AOG

Do you agree with Ms Fransen that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, and that they are all out to get us?

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

/// If we follow that through to it's natural conclusion - we must view everyone we encounter day to day as potentially out to get us. ///

Who referred to 'everyone' we are discussing Muslims and their faith Islam.

If we were discussing men for instant, then yes if walking alone down a dark country road then I suspect every women would class every man they passed as a potential rapist.

The same could be said regarding most of the population that class everyone a potential Burglar, isn't that why we lock our doors at night or when we are away from home?

[ummmm]

No, not everyone is viewed as a potential burglar. We lock our doors just in case one happens to be and the insurance company might not pay out if you leave your windows and doors open and get robbed!

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// Do you agree with Ms Fransen that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, and that they are all out to get us? ///

Just like the rest of us, she has every right to her opinion, regardless of whether you or I agree with her, is a different matter.

There have been plenty of so called moderate Muslims that have been indoctrinated, so who really knows?

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

Unwillingly, I think that you have just proven my point.

Or are you telling us that you can stand at your window viewing passes-bys and uttering "he's a potential burglar, but he's not"?

[sp1814]

AOG

So, your position is that you don’t know if there are any moderate Muslims in the world.

Is that right?

Am I correct in thinking that you may have come to this conclusion because your circle of friends doesn’t include any Muslims, so you draw your conclusions on what you see in the media?

[Mamyalynne]

You brought others into the analogy and not all Muslims wear their Religion as a badge.

I have seen and heard Jayda come out with worse than the speech in question , but the Police obviously think it is worth pursuing.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

I think you will find that those Muslims who suddenly became radicalised, were a shock to their "circle of friends."

How many times have you heard them and even their family members say. "I just can't believe it, he was such a hard working friendly chap" or at least words to that effect.

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

/// You brought others into the analogy and not all Muslims wear their Religion as a badge. ///

Maybe not as a badge, but certainly as a way of life.

[Mamyalynne]

If it doubt , suspect all - got it.

[sp1814]

AOG

Do you agree with Ms Fransen that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, and that they are all out to get us?

[sp1814]

I’m curious to hear whether you think your Muslim mates, those who you’ve known for years, are likely to be extremists.

I ask, because common sense suggests that when you get to know people, you can assess them.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

As much as you know them, you cannot read their minds.

How many mothers, (and you can't get any closer that that) ever suspected that their offspring would turn out to be a killer?

[sp1814]

But AOG surely you can tell someone’s thought processes by what they say and how they act?

I mean - if you have mates who constantly praise Tommy Robinson or constantly praise Jeremy Corbyn, you can pretty much work out their political allegiances.

If you have someone who constantly denounces extremists, common sense tells you that you can assume they’re stance?

I can tell from your posts on race and sexuality what your stance is without you having to state it explicitly (as you can with me).

Doesn’t it also hold true with others?

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814
Haven't you read any examples of espionage carried out during WW2?

Of course people can give a false impression of themselves so as to gain one's confidence, there is no need to shout one's true feelings from the roof tops.

[sp1814]

AOG

So do you agree that there are no moderate Muslims, and that they are all out to get us?