Will Corbyn's Lies Be Seen Through ?

[Khandro]

He gained votes by lying about student fees and has made a U-turn on Brexit, despite being in lifelong opposition to the UE another reason many Labour voters gave him their endorsement. How can anyone trust and continue to vote for him?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/847204/Brexit-Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-Leave-seat-St-Helens-North-bbc-radio-4-video-single-market?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain

[mikey4444]

Baldric....how unlike you to pick up on a simple typo......most unexpected !

Meanwhile, back at the Ranch....can anybody produce that Manifesto promise from Labour on student fees ?

[naomi24]

Mr Corbyn said, “I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. I will deal with it.”

….. and shadow Justice Minister, Imran Hussain, said in an election campaign video, ““Just this morning Jeremy Corbyn has announced that the tuition fees will be abolished straight away from September if there’s a Labour government, and that we will bring back immediately EMA and also that every existing student will have all their debts wiped off.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/key-ally-of-jeremy-corbyn-caught-on-video-making-pledge-to-wipe-off-student-debts-a3595646.html

The electorate got it wrong? Hmmmm…… I don’t think so.

[Baldric]

Mikey, your posts are full of them compete (sic) missing words etc, don't be smug, you're not able.
;o)

[mikey4444]

Thanks Naomi for pointing out that Corbyn didn't say that all Student Debt was going to written off, and that it wasn't included in the Manifesto.

When the £350M on the bus is mentioned on here, you, and most other people say that it wasn't a "promise", nearly a suggestion, but in this case no such interpretation is allowed.

Strange.

[mikey4444]

Baldric....nobody else pointed it out, only you, and where I am concerned, you never miss an opportunity.....not sure why though ? It just makes you look petty.

[Togo]

// and the ones that do die are continually being replaced by others.//

You are of course correct Ludwig. :))
As the young "grow up" the ones with common sense do change their stance.Particularly if they have worked hard to achieve something of their own.

"A young man who isn't a socialist hasn't got a heart; an old man who is a socialist hasn't got a head."
David Lloyd George.

[naomi24]

Mikey, nothing to thank me for. Mr Corbyn said, “I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. I will deal with it.”

…. that clearly means that, in My Corbyn’s opinion, no student should be burdened with more debt than students were before the £9000 was introduced – and they weren’t burdened with any debt at all. Furthermore his shadow Justice Minister confirmed that, given the opportunity, Labour would have dealt with it as Mr Corbyn indicated. Now, it might take a bit of rational thinking to understand that, but do try.

Back to the bus yet again. The slogan read, “We send the EU £350 million a week – let’s fund our NHS instead”. That is not a promise – the people who designed that slogan were in no position to promise anything – so a bit of rational thought will help you there too. This constant repetition of that nonsense smacks of desperation.

Incidentally, since the question of your command of the English language has arisen yet again, you really ought to sort out your ever recurring confusion between ‘then’ and ‘than’.

[Togo]

//Baldric....nobody else pointed it out, only you, and where I am concerned, you never miss an opportunity//

If you want to do grammar, punctuation and syntax. Please allow me. This looks so much more "grown up".

Baldric....nobody else pointed it out but you, (no need for spurious comma) and as far as I am concerned ( taking ownership of your statement) you never miss an opportunity. All done without gasps and gulps. :))

[Davemano]

Mikey will not accept that Corbyn won student votes because of his promises if labour won the election. Forget the Manifesto, Corbyn has gone back on that on some matters, but just remember what him and his party told students on the run up to the election on local news reports. I have said before, as Nick Clegg.

[mikey4444]

Plenty of opportunity for anyone to show where the Labour Party 2017 Manifesto gave explicit promises to wipe out all student loan debt, but no takers as yet, just more petty comments from the Grammar Police !

Twas ever thus !

Of course, what this is all about is a dismal attempt to cloud over the Tory Party's inability to move forward with the Euro exit procedure.

Today, all that Mrs May had to say in Florence, was what Labour has already said....ie....we need a transitional period. Little comment though, from the Tory Glee Club !

[Khandro]

Gasps!

[naomi24]

Mikey at 21:12, more ducking and diving. ‘Twas ever thus!

Note: apostrophe preceding ‘twas and no space before exclamation mark.

Mikey, perhaps if you stopped banging on so pompously about the ‘uneducated’, the educated would stop picking you up on your glaringly repetitive errors. Just something you may like to ponder.

[Kromovaracun]

Even if Corbyn did not directly and unambiguously make this promise, he gave very, very strong signals that it was something he would do and never once during the campaign corrected the supposed misapprehension until after the election was over.

[Khandro]

Well said Kromo.
(and keep your chequebook handy for 31:12:17) :0)

[Gromit]

// He gained votes by lying about student fees //

You now seem to be accepting Kromo's opinion that he never promised to wipe out the debt.

// has made a U-turn on Brexit //

Not sure what that even means. Corbyn personally has been a lifelong Leaver, but the Labour Party position was to support remain in the Referendum. That referendum voted to leave, so the Labour party has to modify its pisition, just has remainer Theresa May has to.
You can't say Corbyn lied while cheerleading remainer May's own personal U-Turn.

[Khandro]

Grommit; If that's addressed to me, I have never said that he promised to wipe out existing debts, but would attempt to. Unlike student fees which he clearly promised he would remove and which was understood by all students, existing and potential. For the last time here it is again;
"First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether,” Corbyn told NME. “We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees. They will pay them, but we’ll rebate them when we’ve got the legislation through – that’s fundamentally the principle behind it. Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.”

[mikey4444]

That is right Khandro....he never said that Labour would wipe out all student fees !

[naomi24]

Mikey, round in circles again. He most certainly implied it - and he made no effort to contradict his close ally who confirmed it. He allowed the young and the gullible to believe that if they voted for him, that's what would happen. Gullible is an understatement!!

[Khandro]

mikey; //he never said that Labour would wipe out all student fees //

Are you nuts? can't you read?

"First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether,” Corbyn told NME. “We’ll do it as soon as we get in,"

WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

[mikey4444]

In the same way that the bus advert did then ?