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Is He One Of The Valuable Immigrants, That The Nhs Couldn't Run Without??
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It doesn't say if he will be allowed to stay after his 4 months term in jail?
But then thinking about it, we are still in the EU aren't we, perhaps PM May will use him as one of her negotiating tools?
It doesn't say if he will be allowed to stay after his 4 months term in jail?
But then thinking about it, we are still in the EU aren't we, perhaps PM May will use him as one of her negotiating tools?
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sp1814
/// No - he's one of those immigrants that don't represent practically every immigrant who works in the NHS. ///
No one said 'every' immigrant who works for the NHS, even you were careful to use the words 'practically every immigrant'.
This is just the same as terrorists, 'not all Muslims are Terrorists'.
The problem being, is being able to sort out the chaff from the seed.
/// He's simply useful for some people who want to push forward an agenda. ///
And definitely not useful to those who wish to convey their own opposing type of agenda, it would seem.
/// No - he's one of those immigrants that don't represent practically every immigrant who works in the NHS. ///
No one said 'every' immigrant who works for the NHS, even you were careful to use the words 'practically every immigrant'.
This is just the same as terrorists, 'not all Muslims are Terrorists'.
The problem being, is being able to sort out the chaff from the seed.
/// He's simply useful for some people who want to push forward an agenda. ///
And definitely not useful to those who wish to convey their own opposing type of agenda, it would seem.
Citizens of other EU countries cannot be deported simply on the grounds that they have committed criminal offences. The person’s behaviour must be a “genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society”. An offence attracting a prison term of just four months is unlikely to be considered serious enough and the general rule is that a custodial term of at least 12 months must be imposed before the individual is even considered for deportation.
Mr Cameron tried, in his famous deal to encourage us to remain in a “reformed” EU, to tinker with the words of the legislation. His deal proposed a change which would allow host countries to keep out or deport people whose behaviour is “likely" (as opposed to “does”) to represent a genuine and serious threat to public policy or security”. It sought to take the emphasis away from present conduct by individuals to look much more closely at their past. However, all that, of course, is history.
At last autumn’s Conservative Party conference Home Secretary Amber Rudd suggested that the UK need not wait for Brexit to change the rules:
"We are going to overhaul our legislation to toughen our approach to deporting EU criminals and those who abuse our laws. We will make clear what our courts must take into account when considering the deportation of EU criminals, aligning their fortunes more closely with those from outside the EU.” It’s not quite clear whether this change will be made before Brexit as I have seen no sign of it yet.
Yet another good reason to be thankful that the Leavers prevailed in June. Imagine any “normal” country being told “Dreadfully sorry you have barrow loads of foreign criminals in your midst. Unfortunately, under the rules, you’re stuck with them.”
Having said that, I’m not that confident that the situation will improve. There are thousands of non-EU foreign criminals in the UK “awaiting deportation” who have no protection under EU rules but I don’t see them being deported in any vast numbers. Mind you, it seems they've made a start with one of those posing the most serious threat to the peace and stability of the UK:
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Mr Cameron tried, in his famous deal to encourage us to remain in a “reformed” EU, to tinker with the words of the legislation. His deal proposed a change which would allow host countries to keep out or deport people whose behaviour is “likely" (as opposed to “does”) to represent a genuine and serious threat to public policy or security”. It sought to take the emphasis away from present conduct by individuals to look much more closely at their past. However, all that, of course, is history.
At last autumn’s Conservative Party conference Home Secretary Amber Rudd suggested that the UK need not wait for Brexit to change the rules:
"We are going to overhaul our legislation to toughen our approach to deporting EU criminals and those who abuse our laws. We will make clear what our courts must take into account when considering the deportation of EU criminals, aligning their fortunes more closely with those from outside the EU.” It’s not quite clear whether this change will be made before Brexit as I have seen no sign of it yet.
Yet another good reason to be thankful that the Leavers prevailed in June. Imagine any “normal” country being told “Dreadfully sorry you have barrow loads of foreign criminals in your midst. Unfortunately, under the rules, you’re stuck with them.”
Having said that, I’m not that confident that the situation will improve. There are thousands of non-EU foreign criminals in the UK “awaiting deportation” who have no protection under EU rules but I don’t see them being deported in any vast numbers. Mind you, it seems they've made a start with one of those posing the most serious threat to the peace and stability of the UK:
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sp1814
/// What is your opinion on this?
Don't we agree?
That this person is not representative of those immigrants working in the NHS who look after us? ///
We can only hope not, but these days who can tell, can you?
It is only a week ago when I reported this "Two British Medical Students Who Joined Isis Killed In Iraq".
Please don't class me a elderly bigot for daring to report on these examples.
/// What is your opinion on this?
Don't we agree?
That this person is not representative of those immigrants working in the NHS who look after us? ///
We can only hope not, but these days who can tell, can you?
It is only a week ago when I reported this "Two British Medical Students Who Joined Isis Killed In Iraq".
Please don't class me a elderly bigot for daring to report on these examples.
Talbot - //There's nearly a million and half people employed by the NHS AOG ... how many of those do you think have the same mindset as this bloke? //
I have absolutely no idea.
But I am willing to bet that some of them will be white, and British-born, but that would not lead me to assume that all white-British NHS employees are paedophiles either - based simply on their job specs and their ethnicity.
The danger I am pointing out is that it is a very easy mind-set to slip into that foreigners, whom sections of the public fear simply because they are foreigners, are more prone to be perverts or terrorists.
It has no logic, but it does have an insidious impact on the thinking of people who don't want to worry too much about the finer points of their bigotry.
I have absolutely no idea.
But I am willing to bet that some of them will be white, and British-born, but that would not lead me to assume that all white-British NHS employees are paedophiles either - based simply on their job specs and their ethnicity.
The danger I am pointing out is that it is a very easy mind-set to slip into that foreigners, whom sections of the public fear simply because they are foreigners, are more prone to be perverts or terrorists.
It has no logic, but it does have an insidious impact on the thinking of people who don't want to worry too much about the finer points of their bigotry.
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