If A Christian Couple Can Be Fined For Refusing To Sell Something They Believe Is Against Their Religion Then Why No Action Against This Person?

[youngmafbog]

OK, so IMHO religion is the root of most evil but lets forget that bit because what I am trying to understand is why there seems to be one rule for one and another for a certain other religion we all have to bend ovcer backwards to accommodate?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4070144/Muslim-Tesco-cashier-refuses-sell-bottle-wine-shopper-against-religion.html

[Mamyalynne]

Your 'Tool of the Devil' is your choice, but if you can't see the awful stuff that is spouted here daily in the same light then you're deluded.

This is not a secret club and is as accessible as any other forum online.

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - // andy-hughes
But they are religious grounds, based on a known system of religious values and edicts.


Or as I see it ... based on ***. //

That's a personal viewpoint, so we'll park that there.

// andy-hughes
That is not the same as wanting not to serve cigarettes because you don't like smoking - if that was discussed at the interview, the store would reasonably withhold a job offer, and the situation would not arise.


Can a store reasonable tell someone' we are withholding the job offer because you are a religious nutter who won't do the job we require you to' ? //

No, the store decline to offer you the post, and they don't tell you why they are declining, because they are not obliged to do so.

[youngmafbog]

What are you rambling on about Mickey? Have you read - in full - my responses?

[hereIam]

But this is England ymb, we do our level best not to upset muslims, but to hell with our own - we're idiots !!

[youngmafbog]

Much as I would like to think my opinions on AB are read by a massive audience I strongly suspect that TwitFace have a much wider appeal!

[youngmafbog]

//No, the store decline to offer you the post, and they don't tell you why they are declining, because they are not obliged to do so//

Yes, the Bakers fallcame because they were too open I guess.

[andy-hughes]

hereIam - //But this is England ymb, we do our level best not to upset muslims, but to hell with our own - we're idiots !! //

I am not sure who 'we' is in that observation hereIam, ideally as a society we try not to upset anyone where we can.

The simple fact is, Muslims live their lives around the edicts of their faith to a far greater degree than most British Christians, so that is why situations like this arise.

[andy-hughes]

YMB - ////No, the store decline to offer you the post, and they don't tell you why they are declining, because they are not obliged to do so//

Yes, the Bakers fallcame because they were too open I guess. //

With the 20/20 hindsight we all enjoy, I would entirely agree with you!

The bakers were within their rights to refuse to bake the cake, and they were not obliged to offer a reason for that refusal - had they followed that procedure, their morality and the law would both have been satisfied.

[Togo]

//Mr Saunders, a father-of-three, said the retailer emailed him to say the woman had not served him due to her “religious beliefs” and that she was standing at a kiosk where alcohol was not usually purchased.//

//“The reason I was at that particular till by customer service was to get the disc for the game.//

Tesco are happy to sell alcohol at the kiosk or it would not scan or process the sale, the shopper has to use that point of sale to purchase the game disc.

The quotes were lifted from the London Evening Standard.

[andy-hughes]

Togo - I am unsure why you are pursuing this so vigorously.

The situation was dealt with by the store at the time, and the customer got his purchase.

He chose to make a fuss afterwards, and those inclined have huffed and puffed along with him.

Where exactly do you want this debate to go from here?

[Togo]

//The bakers were within their rights to refuse to bake the cake, and they were not obliged to offer a reason for that refusal //

I thought that telling lies would be against their beliefs, even if it not against the principles of others.

[Togo]

See the earlier post ah, did I not highlight that some are fond of being correct, but only when it conveniently ignores what is right?

[andy-hughes]

Togo - ////The bakers were within their rights to refuse to bake the cake, and they were not obliged to offer a reason for that refusal //

I thought that telling lies would be against their beliefs, even if it not against the principles of others. //

I am not selling you a cake because I don't like your blue eyes - lie.

I am not selling you a cake and I decline to give a reason - not a lie.

[andy-hughes]

Togo - //See the earlier post ah, did I not highlight that some are fond of being correct, but only when it conveniently ignores what is right? //

If that is the thrust of your points, then I suggest you simply accept what has happened, and move on - there is little if anything more to be said about it here.

[-Talbot-]

Why should a person's 'religious' belief in something top a person's common or garden belief in something?

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //Why should a person's 'religious' belief in something top a person's common or garden belief in something? //

Because, in the case of most Muslims, these beliefs, and the codes that belief system imposes on them, are far more important to them than those of the Christian faith.

There is a debate about the rights and wrongs of that belief system, and its influence, but that is basically the reason why Muslims adhere to their beliefs in the ways that they do - which is what has led to the situation under discussion.

[mikey4444]

Lets not forget that the "gay cake" thing happened in an area of the UK that is well known for religious tolerance !

[youngmafbog]

Don't know but it has for a long time. For instance it is only recently that Sunday opening was allowed, much to the Christian Churches dismay.

It would be a nice thought that all region would either disappear or become relevant only to the few that believed with no impact on those that did not.

[youngmafbog]

I cant wait for the first Muslim Bakers to refuse a 'gay' cake.

The PC brigade will be disappearing up their own Jacksies wondering who to support :-)

[andy-hughes]

YMB - //I cant wait for the first Muslim Bakers to refuse a 'gay' cake.

The PC brigade will be disappearing up their own Jacksies wondering who to support :-) //

I'm not sure that Muslims go a whole lot on baking, but assuming the scenario is correct, hopefully they will have learned from their Christian colleagues/ experiences, and simply decline without reason.