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Sqad - I say yes - obviously - but I would be interested to know why anyone would say no.
This is the News Section - the OP was posted as a piece of news, there was no particular reference to it being a post of such reverence that only nice things could or should be said on it.
I seriously wonder if the ED should consider an 'Obituary' section for postings about public figures dying, where everyone could express their condolences as they see fit.
That would attract no input from me in terms of additional information - and this kind of nonsense could be avoided.
This is the News Section - the OP was posted as a piece of news, there was no particular reference to it being a post of such reverence that only nice things could or should be said on it.
I seriously wonder if the ED should consider an 'Obituary' section for postings about public figures dying, where everyone could express their condolences as they see fit.
That would attract no input from me in terms of additional information - and this kind of nonsense could be avoided.
Peter Pedant, I don't get flattered. Flattery is something that's chucked at me daily in my line of work and I take it in my stride no matter where it comes from.
Jimmy knew who I was as soon as I was introduced to him, which was fairly unusual at the time and he did not need to check up or look up anything we discussed. His actions and manner enabled me to see that he genuinely held me in high regard and that was all that mattered to him. Besides, researchers would have had a problem verifying the contents of our discussion as I had published more papers on the topic than anyone else! In fact, he invited me on to the programme but I wasn't able to do so as I was flying out the following day to an American uni where I'm a visiting professor.
I can spot a fawner a mile away believe me and he wasn't one.
Turning to the issue of bullocks getting the best answer here on AB day in day out, that's entirely down to the opinion of the OP. They are the subjective opinions of the OP at the end of the day and should not be regarded as the most authoratative and reliable answer on a thread. I don't see anything wrong with that. Mind you, I have seen best answers selected for other reasons such as the most humorous answer etc. If that's more important to the OP than a definitive answer, so be it.
Jimmy knew who I was as soon as I was introduced to him, which was fairly unusual at the time and he did not need to check up or look up anything we discussed. His actions and manner enabled me to see that he genuinely held me in high regard and that was all that mattered to him. Besides, researchers would have had a problem verifying the contents of our discussion as I had published more papers on the topic than anyone else! In fact, he invited me on to the programme but I wasn't able to do so as I was flying out the following day to an American uni where I'm a visiting professor.
I can spot a fawner a mile away believe me and he wasn't one.
Turning to the issue of bullocks getting the best answer here on AB day in day out, that's entirely down to the opinion of the OP. They are the subjective opinions of the OP at the end of the day and should not be regarded as the most authoratative and reliable answer on a thread. I don't see anything wrong with that. Mind you, I have seen best answers selected for other reasons such as the most humorous answer etc. If that's more important to the OP than a definitive answer, so be it.
I'm not sure what AOG meant regarding 'staying on track' with this thread.
Is it that we should all just add 'RIP', or only add positive tributes/anecdotes or something else?
I think there should be an 'Obituary' page as Andy has stated or some topic to add condolences to prevent the absurd exchanges that have occurred in part here.
Free speech is not compatible with keeping comments to oneself for fear of being offensive, uncivilised or disrespectful.
Is it that we should all just add 'RIP', or only add positive tributes/anecdotes or something else?
I think there should be an 'Obituary' page as Andy has stated or some topic to add condolences to prevent the absurd exchanges that have occurred in part here.
Free speech is not compatible with keeping comments to oneself for fear of being offensive, uncivilised or disrespectful.
Just returned home to read quite a lengthy thread “Wow” we can get exited on AB.
Jimmy Young was always the gentleman on air and when meeting his listeners/fans and like many DJs/Presenters he had weakness. No doubt in the coming weeks his weaknesses will be aired but I hope it will be said with a smile because like most of us he suffered from human frailty and I would not like to be remembered just for my many weaknesses.
I don’t think a best answer can be appropriate on the death of someone
Jimmy Young was always the gentleman on air and when meeting his listeners/fans and like many DJs/Presenters he had weakness. No doubt in the coming weeks his weaknesses will be aired but I hope it will be said with a smile because like most of us he suffered from human frailty and I would not like to be remembered just for my many weaknesses.
I don’t think a best answer can be appropriate on the death of someone
This may be of interest regarding Sir Jimmy being ousted from R2:-
'Alas I missed Sir Jimmy Young's final show for Radio Two on December 20. Apparently it was ripe stuff. Indeed his departure was so gloriously bitter, station bosses decided to fill the subsequent fortnight with stand-ins and allow dust to settle before launching the Jeremy Vine Show tomorrow. Afterwards it emerged that the 37-year-old Mr Vine had never met the 81-year-old Sir Jimmy and so, as a gesture of goodwill, had dropped him a line suggesting lunch. "Too busy," came the churlish reply.
A number of commentators have shaken their heads ruefully at the manner of Sir Jimmy's going. It seems odd that after 29 years loyal service to the station he should have behaved so gracelessly, they said; he should have accepted his forced retirement with dignity and magnanimity.'
'Alas I missed Sir Jimmy Young's final show for Radio Two on December 20. Apparently it was ripe stuff. Indeed his departure was so gloriously bitter, station bosses decided to fill the subsequent fortnight with stand-ins and allow dust to settle before launching the Jeremy Vine Show tomorrow. Afterwards it emerged that the 37-year-old Mr Vine had never met the 81-year-old Sir Jimmy and so, as a gesture of goodwill, had dropped him a line suggesting lunch. "Too busy," came the churlish reply.
A number of commentators have shaken their heads ruefully at the manner of Sir Jimmy's going. It seems odd that after 29 years loyal service to the station he should have behaved so gracelessly, they said; he should have accepted his forced retirement with dignity and magnanimity.'
My take on this is RIP threads, which come up almost daily on AB, are for the sympathetic to post RIP at least as well as previous posters if not with even more feeling and pathos than the previous posters. It's like a eulogy at a funeral (and every one I've been to has described the deceased as a person so loved and so faultless that I don't recognise them). You don't say bad things about people at funerals and you don't say bad things about people on AB RIP threads. It's just not done.
Would you say the same if someone posts R.I.P. Ian Brady, or R.I.P. Peter Sutcliffe?
As I stated earlier, when being castigated for daring to point out that Sir Jimmy had been graceless on his last show, and rude to his replacement – both situations reported at the time, and in terms of his last radio comments, available to hear now – someone’s faults do not vanish when they die.
It is maudlin and inappropriate to fawn over dead famous people as though they aquire instant sainthood because they were popular on the radio.
Would I say something bad about a deceased person at their funeral – no I would not. But this not a funeral, it’s a social media site, and this is the News Section, not the ‘Dead Celebrity – Fawning Only Please’ section.
I think a sense of proportion got lost by some posters today, and evidence is there if you care to read it objectively.
As I stated earlier, when being castigated for daring to point out that Sir Jimmy had been graceless on his last show, and rude to his replacement – both situations reported at the time, and in terms of his last radio comments, available to hear now – someone’s faults do not vanish when they die.
It is maudlin and inappropriate to fawn over dead famous people as though they aquire instant sainthood because they were popular on the radio.
Would I say something bad about a deceased person at their funeral – no I would not. But this not a funeral, it’s a social media site, and this is the News Section, not the ‘Dead Celebrity – Fawning Only Please’ section.
I think a sense of proportion got lost by some posters today, and evidence is there if you care to read it objectively.
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'Alas I missed Sir Jimmy Young's final show for Radio Two on December 20. Apparently it was ripe stuff. Indeed his departure was so gloriously bitter, station bosses decided to fill the subsequent fortnight with stand-ins and allow dust to settle before launching the Jeremy Vine Show tomorrow. Afterwards it emerged that the 37-year-old Mr Vine had never met the 81-year-old Sir Jimmy and so, as a gesture of goodwill, had dropped him a line suggesting lunch. "Too busy," came the churlish reply.//
Where does this come from?
'Alas I missed Sir Jimmy Young's final show for Radio Two on December 20. Apparently it was ripe stuff. Indeed his departure was so gloriously bitter, station bosses decided to fill the subsequent fortnight with stand-ins and allow dust to settle before launching the Jeremy Vine Show tomorrow. Afterwards it emerged that the 37-year-old Mr Vine had never met the 81-year-old Sir Jimmy and so, as a gesture of goodwill, had dropped him a line suggesting lunch. "Too busy," came the churlish reply.//
Where does this come from?
RandyMarsh - //Is it your keen sense of proportion that has lead you to compare Jimmy with two infamous mass murderers Andy? :) //
I have not made any comparison with any mass murderers - Brady and Sutcliffe are not mass murderers.
But to address the poiont you are making - however inaccurately - I have not made a 'comparison' between them at all.
My point concerns the notion that because someone has died, we can only look at their good points, and not comment on their bad points.
So what happens if the deceased's good points are so dwarfed by their bad points, how do we approach commenting on their deaths then?
Of necessity, I used two extreme examples to make my point, but that is not the same as making a comparison, - clearly I did not do that.
I have not made any comparison with any mass murderers - Brady and Sutcliffe are not mass murderers.
But to address the poiont you are making - however inaccurately - I have not made a 'comparison' between them at all.
My point concerns the notion that because someone has died, we can only look at their good points, and not comment on their bad points.
So what happens if the deceased's good points are so dwarfed by their bad points, how do we approach commenting on their deaths then?
Of necessity, I used two extreme examples to make my point, but that is not the same as making a comparison, - clearly I did not do that.
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