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Is Britain's Government Destroying Its Own Military To Appease Its Enemies?
Elements of the British establishment in Whitehall think their own soldiers are "bad," and terrorists are "freedom fighters," according to General Lord Richards, former Chief of the Defence Staff and the UK's most senior military officer.
Over several years these ministers, permanent secretaries, generals, admirals and air marshals have been swept aside in pursuit of a corrosive drive to discredit our troops. It is the first time in history that any government has turned on its own armed forces in such a way.
The overwhelming majority are motivated by a combination of greed and anti-British vindictiveness by the Iraqi and Afghan accusers and by their British lawyers, using taxpayers' money.
This can only further undermine our national will to engage in future conflict in defence of our people or to support our allies, including the US, thus weakening the Western world. That of course, is the main objective of the politically driven lawyers and others involved in hounding our troops.
We can be sure that their motive for favouring enemy "freedom fighters" over our own forces is a desire to appease radical Muslims both at home and abroad, which infects so much of Europe's political elite and mainstream media.
It is vital for our country and the world that the Prime Minister ends this cowardly and dangerous cult of appeasement stands up for our Western Judeo-Christian values above all others and defends our soldiers with as much courage as they show in defending us. To achieve this, it is vital that the conspirators General Richards has named are identified and purged from power and influence.
Richard Kemp
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Naomi - //You seem to struggle with the reality that some people know more about some things than you do. He certainly knows more about it than me. I don't have a problem with that. //
Actually, you are wrong, I don't struggle at all with the concept that lots of people know more about lots of things than I do.
What I struggle with is the knee-jerk assumption that knowing about something means you are the last word in authority when pronouncing about it.
He certainly knows more about it than me too - but that doesn't mean that his opinion must be correct - and I do have a problem with that.
Actually, you are wrong, I don't struggle at all with the concept that lots of people know more about lots of things than I do.
What I struggle with is the knee-jerk assumption that knowing about something means you are the last word in authority when pronouncing about it.
He certainly knows more about it than me too - but that doesn't mean that his opinion must be correct - and I do have a problem with that.
Naomi - //Gromit, //Of course Tony Blair who took us into those disastrous wars was in position of power and experience. Are we to assume that his opinion has to be more accepted because of his experience? //
Tony Blair had no experience of warfare. //
Every single soldier who has set foot on a battlefield has 'experience of war' - does that mean they are equally qualified to spout piffle like Mr Kemp?
Maybe it does - but that wouldn't make what they said a matter of fact either!
Tony Blair had no experience of warfare. //
Every single soldier who has set foot on a battlefield has 'experience of war' - does that mean they are equally qualified to spout piffle like Mr Kemp?
Maybe it does - but that wouldn't make what they said a matter of fact either!
Zacs-Master - //Anyone believing Richard Kemp's views to be factual ... //
And that is the root of my issue here.
Just because he says something does not make it true.
I don't care if he is the army's Lord-High-Everything-Else - this remains an opinion piece.
In his defence, Mr Kemp is not putting forward his opinion as anything else but his opinion - but that is no reason why we all nod and stroke our chins because he must be right.
And that is the root of my issue here.
Just because he says something does not make it true.
I don't care if he is the army's Lord-High-Everything-Else - this remains an opinion piece.
In his defence, Mr Kemp is not putting forward his opinion as anything else but his opinion - but that is no reason why we all nod and stroke our chins because he must be right.
Naomi - //No, it doesn't mean they're equally qualified, but they're certainly more qualified than you or I. //
I am failing to make my point here - let me try again.
There are two concepts involved here - opinion, and fact.
Having an opinion does not make that opinion into a fact.
And the qualification behind that opinion, from none to expert and back again, does not change that simple premise.
Mr Kemp is offering an opinion.
He may be absolutely one-hundred-per-cent right in what he says.
But the fact that he has been an army officer does not make him correct, and it is not going to make me assume that he is correct.
I am failing to make my point here - let me try again.
There are two concepts involved here - opinion, and fact.
Having an opinion does not make that opinion into a fact.
And the qualification behind that opinion, from none to expert and back again, does not change that simple premise.
Mr Kemp is offering an opinion.
He may be absolutely one-hundred-per-cent right in what he says.
But the fact that he has been an army officer does not make him correct, and it is not going to make me assume that he is correct.
Naomi,
// Tony Blair had no experience of warfare. //
The question isn't about warfare, it is about leadership.
No one doubts that the British armed forces fought well in Afghanistan. Maybe this Brigadeer was involved. But his opinions are obout our political elite, and he is clearly hasn't a clue. He has no expertise in running the country.
Politicians are fickle. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were not supported by most voters, so politicians did not support them. They were desperate to retreat, but getting out of the wars was far more difficult than getting us in them.
// Tony Blair had no experience of warfare. //
The question isn't about warfare, it is about leadership.
No one doubts that the British armed forces fought well in Afghanistan. Maybe this Brigadeer was involved. But his opinions are obout our political elite, and he is clearly hasn't a clue. He has no expertise in running the country.
Politicians are fickle. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were not supported by most voters, so politicians did not support them. They were desperate to retreat, but getting out of the wars was far more difficult than getting us in them.
Zacs-Master - //It doesn't mean we should take their words as truth, without question. //
My point precisely.
I go and watch a concert, and my view is printed, because I have credibility for my opinions.
But if I say the concert was wonderful, or lousy, it doesn't mean that it was either - because it is my opinion - not a fact.
My point precisely.
I go and watch a concert, and my view is printed, because I have credibility for my opinions.
But if I say the concert was wonderful, or lousy, it doesn't mean that it was either - because it is my opinion - not a fact.
Zacs-Master, // It doesn't mean we should take their words as truth, without question.//
Who's doing that? I've simply said that his opinion is informed - ours isn't - well, at least mine isn't. Can't speak for the experts here who know that what he's saying is 'piffle'.
Gromit, //The question isn't about warfare, it is about leadership.//
The question is whether or not the government is destroying its own military to appease its enemies.
Who's doing that? I've simply said that his opinion is informed - ours isn't - well, at least mine isn't. Can't speak for the experts here who know that what he's saying is 'piffle'.
Gromit, //The question isn't about warfare, it is about leadership.//
The question is whether or not the government is destroying its own military to appease its enemies.
//Are you proud of our Iraq mission. Can you list its achievements?//
The Armed forces don't deploy themselves you know. They were sent into Iraq by..............................................the very people who are now trying to demonise them. Perhaps the people who sent them into Iraq need to destroy the cohesion and moral of the Armed Forces to hide what they themselves have caused. Where did all the assets of these toppled regimes end up? Not in the pockets of the soldiers that is for sure. The Army has been betrayed by the very people who use them to do their dirty work. I'm sure that if I was just such a soldier my weapons would be pointing in a different direction.
The Armed forces don't deploy themselves you know. They were sent into Iraq by..............................................the very people who are now trying to demonise them. Perhaps the people who sent them into Iraq need to destroy the cohesion and moral of the Armed Forces to hide what they themselves have caused. Where did all the assets of these toppled regimes end up? Not in the pockets of the soldiers that is for sure. The Army has been betrayed by the very people who use them to do their dirty work. I'm sure that if I was just such a soldier my weapons would be pointing in a different direction.
// The question is whether or not the government is destroying its own military to appease its enemies. //
So the answer is clearly that it isn't.
Do you really believe Cameron and May are supporting our enemies?
We spend the fifth most amount on the military in the world. $55billion annually. That shows a Government (and previous Governments) have a strong commitment to our military.
So the answer is clearly that it isn't.
Do you really believe Cameron and May are supporting our enemies?
We spend the fifth most amount on the military in the world. $55billion annually. That shows a Government (and previous Governments) have a strong commitment to our military.
Togo // //Are you proud of our Iraq mission. Can you list its achievements?//
The Armed forces don't deploy themselves you know. They were sent into Iraq by..............................................the very people who are now trying to demonise them. Perhaps the people who sent them into Iraq need to destroy the cohesion and moral of the Armed Forces to hide what they themselves have caused. Where did all the assets of these toppled regimes end up? Not in the pockets of the soldiers that is for sure. The Army has been betrayed by the very people who use them to do their dirty work. I'm sure that if I was just such a soldier my weapons would be pointing in a different direction. //
I can absolutely understand Mr Kemp being royally peed off at the way he and his fellow soldiers have been treated.
But his opinion about dire dealings at the top end remains his opinion, because he has no more access to the inner workings of government than you or I do - he'd need to be a deal higher up than he is for that.
So he is putting forward a notion - nothing more.
The Armed forces don't deploy themselves you know. They were sent into Iraq by..............................................the very people who are now trying to demonise them. Perhaps the people who sent them into Iraq need to destroy the cohesion and moral of the Armed Forces to hide what they themselves have caused. Where did all the assets of these toppled regimes end up? Not in the pockets of the soldiers that is for sure. The Army has been betrayed by the very people who use them to do their dirty work. I'm sure that if I was just such a soldier my weapons would be pointing in a different direction. //
I can absolutely understand Mr Kemp being royally peed off at the way he and his fellow soldiers have been treated.
But his opinion about dire dealings at the top end remains his opinion, because he has no more access to the inner workings of government than you or I do - he'd need to be a deal higher up than he is for that.
So he is putting forward a notion - nothing more.
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