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[TheChair]

Given that everything that the Remain camp say is labeled Project Fear, how would you label Gove's latest pronouncement that Brexit must happen “before it’s too late”, that a vote for remain would mean “voting to be hostages, locked in the back of a car”, including a warning of the threat posed by foreigners and criminals?

[youngmafbog]

Truth.

[Jackdaw33]

Project common sense.

[Old_Geezer]

Realistic ?

[naomi24]

Reality.

[jim360]

The remain campaign is also reality -- as those who want to stay would see it, at least. Whether you want to stay in the EU or leave it is down to interpretation.

[retrocop]

Given that Junker actually admits that the EU has gone too far in meddling with people's private lives and has too much authority over national sovereignty I would say Gove is being truthful

[youngmafbog]

Not quite. Much of the remain campaign has been about conjecture.

As far as this post is concerned it is a reality, even Osborne's tax payer funded 200 pages of propaganda says as much WRT immigration.

[retrocop]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3547897/EU-lost-attractiveness-interferes-people-s-lives-admits-Brussels-chief.html

[waterboatman]

I have a feeling it won't be long before the EU collapses when we leave, as other nations will follow.

[EDDIE51]

For the actual FACTS about the EU rather than the rhetoric and bias from both sides I suggest you read the information in this link
https://fullfact.org/
It is the only fully independent source of information I have found, very interesting and very different from what we are hearing from the TV.

[naomi24]

Jim, //The remain campaign is also reality//

From what I've heard from them, they're not saying much that I would consider 'realistic'. They are, without doubt, scaremongering.

[jim360]

Some Remain supporters, perhaps. But the only reason Brexit is being portrayed as 100% honest is because it's in their interests to do so, rather than because any of their conjectures about the future of the UK have much basis in reality either.

[andy-hughes]

waterboatman - //I have a feeling it won't be long before the EU collapses when we leave, as other nations will follow. //

I'm inclined to agree - the domino effect could be just around the corner.

I have always maintained that, as far as the 'average' voter is concerned, politics has nothing to do with facts and evidence, and everything to do with perception.

My view is that the perception of continued EU involvement means further imposition of laws by unelected bureaucrats, and more uncontrolled migration, and those fears will probably override Mr Cameron's doom-mongering economic data assumptions, which interests no-one except major businesses.

Fingers crossed!

[naomi24]

Jim, //Some Remain supporters, perhaps.//

No - from the leaders - the government. Just one minor example from the infamous leaflet :

//The UK is a strong, independent nation.//

Independent? I don't think so.

[mikey4444]

Scaremongering is going on apace in both camps. Its what always happens when politics is being discussed.

But Gove is best ignored...pompous ass.

[Old_Geezer]

I reckon much of what the exit camp comes up with is simply interpolation from what went before. The remain camp has to worry that something bad might happen; that other countries will 'cut off their nose to spite their face' type of thing, or that being outside a large block will make a country far less attractive to do business with and/or invest in: not that we should need outside investment, that would be a sign of weakness in our ability to fund ourselves.

[youngmafbog]

Best ignored because you dont like what he is saying or ignored because you dont like him?

[jim360]

Well, andy-hughes, a lot more people could become interested in the economic doom-mongering later, if we vote no. In the short-term at least, I don't see how anyone can imagine it's going to be pretty. The question is whether the almost inevitable short-term mess will be worth it in the long term. *Of course* separating the UK from an institution in which it is deeply entwined is going to create a mess. It's disingenuous of Brexit to pretend otherwise (indeed, presumably, that has to be entirely their point, right? If we can leave the EU with no noticeable effects whatsoever then what was the point of complaining so vociferously about it?)

[naomi24]

Mikey, //But Gove is best ignored...pompous ass.//

Do try to step outside of your bigotry for once. If you ignore the man you're not qualified to comment upon what he's saying. I listen to the 'In' camp. That's why I know I disagree with them.

[Peter Pedant]

yeah good one

passes the 3T test - if 3T can understand it then it is simple enough for anyone

Remain - you're in the driving seat
Brexit - you are like a Calais camp immigrant in the back trying to get in by fantastic means