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abolished grammar schools? I thought NF made very valid point last night when he discribed how Labour took away the chances for poor kids out of some silly idiology.
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“More people from poor families went to University and got a Degree since State Granmar Schools were
13:38 Fri 03rd Apr 2015
Margaret Thatcher closed more Grammar schools than Labour.
// ...when Thatcher was Education Secretary the number of children attending comprehensive schools went up from 32 per cent to 62 per cent and she only turned down about 10 per cent of requests from grammar schools to become comprehensive. //
How a child finishes its education is more important than what happens at 11 years old. More people from poor families went to University and got a Degree since State Granmar Schools were abolished.
// ...when Thatcher was Education Secretary the number of children attending comprehensive schools went up from 32 per cent to 62 per cent and she only turned down about 10 per cent of requests from grammar schools to become comprehensive. //
How a child finishes its education is more important than what happens at 11 years old. More people from poor families went to University and got a Degree since State Granmar Schools were abolished.
Yes they did, and Labour has not only pulled the ladder away from the academic. With Ed’s promise of an apprenticeship for anyone who “gets the grades” they are pulling the ladder away from the less academic too. That’ll be a lot of potential skill wasted. They haven't thought it through – but no surprise there.
Pointless the other day.
Q. what country do these artists come from?
a) Picasso
b) Jackson Pollock
c) Rene Magritte
d) Paul Gauguin
e) Piet Mondrian
f) Paul Klee
Contestant who informed us he had A level-History of Art
'I've only heard of one of them, Picasso-Spain.'
As Richard Osman said, 'I'm not being funny, but how can someone who hasn't heard of 5 of those artists pass an A-level HoA?'
Q. what country do these artists come from?
a) Picasso
b) Jackson Pollock
c) Rene Magritte
d) Paul Gauguin
e) Piet Mondrian
f) Paul Klee
Contestant who informed us he had A level-History of Art
'I've only heard of one of them, Picasso-Spain.'
As Richard Osman said, 'I'm not being funny, but how can someone who hasn't heard of 5 of those artists pass an A-level HoA?'
I think it's because we notice the stupidity more of someone who is nominally expected to be knowledgeable, rather than University students are somehow thicker than the rest of us.
Obviously a History of art student not knowing much about artists is very surprising, but perhaps his A-level focused on Greek Art or something. On the other hand I'd expect an A-level to give a general introduction to the subject rather than specialise. Maybe his memory just went?
Obviously a History of art student not knowing much about artists is very surprising, but perhaps his A-level focused on Greek Art or something. On the other hand I'd expect an A-level to give a general introduction to the subject rather than specialise. Maybe his memory just went?
“More people from poor families went to University and got a Degree since State Granmar Schools were abolished.”
Of course they did, Gromit. And it has nothing to do with secondary education. It stems from when polytechnics and technical colleges (which previously existed principally as supplementary education to those already in work) converted to “universities” and started offering “degree” courses instead on training for ONCs, HNCs and the like. Tony Blair’s ludicrous target to get 50% of young people into “university” exacerbated that trend and so we see today young people accumulating huge debts (which many of them will never repay) to gain a so-called degree in “Catering Management”, “Hospitality Administration” or “Films”.
Prior to that the only people that went to university were those needing a degree to follow a specific career path and the numbers going to uni roughly reflected the number of jobs that required a degree. Now we have young people leaving “university” with a worthless degree, £30k in debt and many of whom finish up frying hamburgers for a living (because, strangely enough, still only about 10% of jobs in the UK actually need to jobholder to be educated to traditional "proper" degree level and this is likely to diminish at the nation's economy becomes increasingly deskilled).
State grammar schools gave those of a higher academic ability the opportunity to make the most of their talents regardless of their background. Many of their pupils did not go on to university because they were already sufficiently well educated to make their way in the world. I went to a superb grammar school where pupils from all walks of life enjoyed a great education but very few of us went on to university. I can still recall reading their names in the school magazine and it was quite a short list. All their abolition has done is to confine such education to the very small number of decent State schools (which, unsurprisingly, are heavily oversubscribed) or privately funded establishments.
The most critical misunderstanding that many socialists suffer from is that you do not make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. And so it is with education – you cannot make those less academically gifted more so by jeopardising the education of the brighter. And that’s what comprehensive education has done.
Of course they did, Gromit. And it has nothing to do with secondary education. It stems from when polytechnics and technical colleges (which previously existed principally as supplementary education to those already in work) converted to “universities” and started offering “degree” courses instead on training for ONCs, HNCs and the like. Tony Blair’s ludicrous target to get 50% of young people into “university” exacerbated that trend and so we see today young people accumulating huge debts (which many of them will never repay) to gain a so-called degree in “Catering Management”, “Hospitality Administration” or “Films”.
Prior to that the only people that went to university were those needing a degree to follow a specific career path and the numbers going to uni roughly reflected the number of jobs that required a degree. Now we have young people leaving “university” with a worthless degree, £30k in debt and many of whom finish up frying hamburgers for a living (because, strangely enough, still only about 10% of jobs in the UK actually need to jobholder to be educated to traditional "proper" degree level and this is likely to diminish at the nation's economy becomes increasingly deskilled).
State grammar schools gave those of a higher academic ability the opportunity to make the most of their talents regardless of their background. Many of their pupils did not go on to university because they were already sufficiently well educated to make their way in the world. I went to a superb grammar school where pupils from all walks of life enjoyed a great education but very few of us went on to university. I can still recall reading their names in the school magazine and it was quite a short list. All their abolition has done is to confine such education to the very small number of decent State schools (which, unsurprisingly, are heavily oversubscribed) or privately funded establishments.
The most critical misunderstanding that many socialists suffer from is that you do not make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. And so it is with education – you cannot make those less academically gifted more so by jeopardising the education of the brighter. And that’s what comprehensive education has done.
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