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Should The Video Of The Jordanian Pilot Be Watched
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Gromit
/// We need to be part of a coordinated attack on IS. Unfortunately, the majority of Brits want to runaway or bury their heads in the sand, and are quite happy to allow IS to remain as long as they are thousands of miles from our doors. ///
/// The longer we leave yhis scurge, the harder it will be to eradicate them when we need/want to. ///
What are you suggesting Gromit, 'boots on the ground', so that when we are in the thick of it you can then blame the West for invading countries killing civilians and trying to be the peace keepers of the world?
/// We need to be part of a coordinated attack on IS. Unfortunately, the majority of Brits want to runaway or bury their heads in the sand, and are quite happy to allow IS to remain as long as they are thousands of miles from our doors. ///
/// The longer we leave yhis scurge, the harder it will be to eradicate them when we need/want to. ///
What are you suggesting Gromit, 'boots on the ground', so that when we are in the thick of it you can then blame the West for invading countries killing civilians and trying to be the peace keepers of the world?
Naomi - "//but understanding is not the same as agreeing, is it?//
Sorry, not with you. Agreeing with what?"
I stated that I understand why IS burned this poor soul to death,
But understanding why they did it is not the same as agreeing with their action.
I know I am labouring my point, but my personal experience bears out my view -
it is sometimes enough simply to know about something from a conceptual viewpoint, and physical evidence of it, by film, or real-time experience, does not make someone wiser or more understand, or more empathetic, it simply leaves them damaged in varying ways, and that cannot be good for anyone.
To return to the OP - it has been a fascinating debate, with views on both sides, but I stand by my position that viewing this dreadful event does not help anyone to understand it more deeply - how much more deeply can anyone need or want to understand a man's dreadful death?
Sometimes we need protection - this is one of those times.
Sorry, not with you. Agreeing with what?"
I stated that I understand why IS burned this poor soul to death,
But understanding why they did it is not the same as agreeing with their action.
I know I am labouring my point, but my personal experience bears out my view -
it is sometimes enough simply to know about something from a conceptual viewpoint, and physical evidence of it, by film, or real-time experience, does not make someone wiser or more understand, or more empathetic, it simply leaves them damaged in varying ways, and that cannot be good for anyone.
To return to the OP - it has been a fascinating debate, with views on both sides, but I stand by my position that viewing this dreadful event does not help anyone to understand it more deeply - how much more deeply can anyone need or want to understand a man's dreadful death?
Sometimes we need protection - this is one of those times.
// What are you suggesting Gromit, 'boots on the ground', so that when we are in the thick of it you can then blame the West for invading countries killing civilians and trying to be the peace keepers of the world? //
Unlike Afghanistan and Iraq where we were the invaders, and had little regard for civilian casualties, this is different. Libya and Syria have been invaded by an hostile force. Our involvement would be on the side of the invaded countries, helping them get their countries back. Rather than being seen as aggressive attackers, we would be their saviours.
But as I say, there is no appetite for such action in this country because people like you are comparing it to an entirely different situation from which we did not emerge too well.
Unlike Afghanistan and Iraq where we were the invaders, and had little regard for civilian casualties, this is different. Libya and Syria have been invaded by an hostile force. Our involvement would be on the side of the invaded countries, helping them get their countries back. Rather than being seen as aggressive attackers, we would be their saviours.
But as I say, there is no appetite for such action in this country because people like you are comparing it to an entirely different situation from which we did not emerge too well.
andy-hughes, your personal experience bears out your view, but it doesn’t follow that it bears out that of everyone else. Personally I am grateful to the media for enabling me to witness the events on 9/11 because without that I would have had little real understanding of the horror inflicted upon 3000 innocent people and the memory of it may very well have faded into oblivion as do so many other atrocities that we only read about.
Fair enough Naomi.
I think we have reached the natural end of our exchange of views on this subject - thank you for your part in a fascinating debate - see you on the next one.
(It's been nice to enjoy an exchange of differing views without being accused of being pompous or high-minded by any of the usual suspects!!)
I think we have reached the natural end of our exchange of views on this subject - thank you for your part in a fascinating debate - see you on the next one.
(It's been nice to enjoy an exchange of differing views without being accused of being pompous or high-minded by any of the usual suspects!!)
Gness, I would be totally against anybody seeing it, however, if in some way helped anybody understand the injustices and just maybe it galvanised people into action to prevent such atrocities in the future I would not be against it.
I refer you to a picture that was on the front page of my local news paper a few years ago, a picture released by her Mother, in the hope it would prevent it happening to others, also now used to help others by looking at this article.
I refer you to a picture that was on the front page of my local news paper a few years ago, a picture released by her Mother, in the hope it would prevent it happening to others, also now used to help others by looking at this article.
Here is the article: http://
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divebuddy - "Of course Naomi is right. Haven't you heard the expression.... a picture is worth a thousand words."
But we are not discussing a picture - we are discussing a video, start to finish with sound, which is an entirely different concept.
The Mail has a picture of the pilot just before the petrol was lit - that's all the imagery I need to get the gist of what he was thinking - I really don't need to have anything else - I dispute that anyone does.
But we are not discussing a picture - we are discussing a video, start to finish with sound, which is an entirely different concept.
The Mail has a picture of the pilot just before the petrol was lit - that's all the imagery I need to get the gist of what he was thinking - I really don't need to have anything else - I dispute that anyone does.
I can see your point divebuddy but I would like to know how the average person who is sitting at home is going to be galvanised into action by seeing the pilot being burned to death. It`s great if they are going to use their horror and disgust to do some good but that won`t happen in most cases. The images of 9/11 galvanised people into being more co-operative regarding airport/airline security but that effect lasted for about 6 months and then the whinging and complaining about showing boarding passes, getting pat-downs, binning sharp objects started again. I think watching this video only serves to satisfy morbid curiosity.
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This thread has been sidetracked into a debate about ABers personally watching or not watching this video, instead of whether or not our muslims should watch it.
Well up to now there seems to be very little response to this horrific killing from our peaceful loving Muslims, so perhaps if it went towards getting them to speak out against such evil deeds committed in the name of their religion, then perhaps it would be a good thing?
This poor airman's father was only recently appealing to his son's captures, informing them that he was a Muslim the same as them.
Oh so it would have been understandable to him if he had not been a Muslim then?
Well up to now there seems to be very little response to this horrific killing from our peaceful loving Muslims, so perhaps if it went towards getting them to speak out against such evil deeds committed in the name of their religion, then perhaps it would be a good thing?
This poor airman's father was only recently appealing to his son's captures, informing them that he was a Muslim the same as them.
Oh so it would have been understandable to him if he had not been a Muslim then?
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