Is This The Start Of The Struggle Against Islamification?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30685842
Is the west finally waking up to what is happenning? Will this lead to more serious action?

[sp1814]

TWR

The J that was in jam jars???

Lost me on that one.

[naomi24]

OK, I'm wrong - but I still don't know what you're talking about.

[sp1814]

naomi24

I think you asked me to answer vetuste ennemi's question from a few pages ago where he asked whether someone who referred to Iain Duncan Smith as being so cruel that he could be Japanese is being racist.

vetuste ennemi then challenge both parts of his question, as I'd only answered the second part.

It's probably because this has branched out to a multi-themed thread that it's got all messy - but that's the route to my mealy-mouthed response. It was addressing vetuste ennemi's two part question, and nothing else.

[sp1814]

That should read:

vetuste ennemi then challenged me to answer both parts of his question, as I'd only answered the second part.

[naomi24]

:o/

Back to the subject.

[TWR]

That "J" should have been "G" On the Jam Jars but who complained about that? The Muslims can stand on Street corners in their skirts & demand & preach Hatred, but the whites say something, all hell breaks loose, free speech!

[Gromit]

// Farage is of French/German ancestry.
I only found out the other day that IDS is Japanese.
Always thought he was cruel. //

Yes it is a daft thing to say. IDS has been called heartless for turfing people out of their homes because they have a spare bedroom. The Japanese have a reputation for cruelty because of the atrocities they committed in WWII.

I realise not all Japanese are cruel, just like the french are not all cheese eating surrender monkeys.

[trt]

Maybe if there were less Muslims in the UK, we wouldn't have the Crisis in the hospitals that we have now?

[Gromit]

Pegido are not differentiating between extremist, fundamental or everyday muslims - they object to them all. As do many on this site who agree with them.
They accuse Muslims of attacking their culture. I cannot agree that just the presence of muslims in this country is a threat. They may not wear suits and bowler hats, but neither do I. They may build mosques, but often they are nice buildings. In my opinion their food has been more of a welcome addition to British culture. People object to Sharia law, but that is not really here. I have no object to Islam per se, as I have no objection to any other religion. Hate preachers have no place here, but we have laws that outlaw that.

[naomi24]

//Pegido are not differentiating between extremist, fundamental or everyday muslims - they object to them all.//

Yes, they do because Islam is impacting upon the rest of society regardless of culture. Every day' Muslims are fundamentalists - as I just explained.

[Svejk]

Very interesting 'take' on Islam here from a surprising source(to me, anyway) I suspect he's not long for this world.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2015/01/president-sisis-speech

[Svejk]

By the way, has anybody seen the anti-pegida cartoons they're showing on German TV. Goebbels would be proud of them. ;)

[mushroom25]

//People object to Sharia law, but that is not really here.//

I think you'll find it is gromit, and the muslim population will be urged by their mosques to look to the sharia councils rather than involving the uk's legal system. you could argue that muslims can seek justice any way they like - but that makes a mockery of the principal of everyone equal before the law.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2013/05/bbc-stands-by-panorama-expos-of-sharia-councils

[retrocop]

I am an infidel in the Islamic faith. I was brought up a High Church C of E young boy forced upon me by mother. I was a even forced to be a boat boy in my local church cos I looked cherubic at the age of 6.
I do not need any damn religion to tell me what is right or wrong although the Christian faith appears to believe it does. At an early age I knew that to be kind,considerate polite,respectful, helpful, tolerant etc, etc was the path to follow.
Why should I respect or accept Islam in this country? I am told that there are moderate muslims, fundamentalist muslims and extremist muslims.
Some muslims will tell you they are the Religion of Peace according to Allah(insallah). Other muslims will tell you that the holy man says that all non believers of Islam must be put to the sword. Some muslims will tell you that there is no requirement in the religion of Islam for women to wear burquahs and other so called religious accoutrements according to the Koran. Others say it is against Allahs will(Insillah) for women to display themselves to men other than their husbands.
At least the St Jame's bible seems to get Christians singing from the same hymn sheet and the Disneyesque stories let us know where their stance is.
We have so called moderate muslim families in this country whose sons and daughters are flitting off to join ISIS. These are the enemy within. The young boy who was studying medicine and was a cricket star at his local school is now an extremist cutting off the heads and crucifying moderate muslims in Iraq,Syria and Afghanistan. ISIS are running rings around the Iraqui National Army and fled. ISIS are better armed and funded than moderate Islamists. Moderate Muslims cannot stop people of their own religion wanting to set up Califs in their own country.Why the hell should we be expected to embrace such a treacherous and unstable religion in this country whereby there true colours are not firmly nailed to the mast.Today's trainee Muslim teacher at Loughborough University or wherever could be tomorrow's terrorist as has already been proved .

[mushroom25]

//The teachings of all the popular religions are basically the same, and are best summarised by the Ten Commandments from the King James Bible. There are very similar teachings in the Koran. //

agreed. but adherents of islam are also bound by the Hadith, which is essentially the word of the prophet Mohammed (ṣall Allahu ʿalayhi wa-’ālih ), which is unchallengeable. I'm not sure other Abrahamic religions have an equivalent.

[sp1814]

naomi24

You wrote:

"Every day' Muslims are fundamentalists - as I just explained."

Not the ones I've known over the past forty years.

Perhaps not all Muslims are the same? There are those I know (second and third generation) who are extremely lax i the adherence to their faith.

There are others who don't touch a drop of alcohol and there are some who neck back Bacardi like it's about to be banned.

But that's just my experience - I'm sure others believe something totally different based on their own experiences.

Out of interest, does anyone on them AB News thread actually have any close Muslim mates - or generally do people get their knowledge from the media?

[Gromit]

I have a muslim mate who drinks who I see quite often. I also have a lot of muslim aquaintences. I once loaned some money to a muslim friend to help set up his restaurant. Though none are my best friends, I have been as a guest to their houses and know them pretty well. They are normal British families.

[Svejk]

Well I never, it's a small world isn't it. You two^ appear to have mutual friends. Perhaps you've met without realising it?

[naomi24]

sp, //Out of interest, does anyone on them AB News thread actually have any close Muslim mates//

I have Muslim friends.

Your mates might drink, and they might be extremely lax in adherence to their faith, but since you are aware that they are Muslims they very clearly still claim that faith. I’d hazard a guess that your mates won’t criticise the Koran or the Prophet, and are not complaining about the perceived Islamization of the west. The bottom line is if the political/religious demographic of the west ever changes in favour of Islam, they will still be Muslim - albeit newly teetotal. Same goes for your friends and acquaintances, Gromit.