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In Support Of Judy Finnengan
blasted out of all proportion!
i followed this case and it stank from the start,hoping justice for evans will take place, i have signed a petition for this (available on line.)
now, i have also commented on some items on this case of Evans and Finnegan in the "daily mail" ,(yes i know) not one of my support comments, 5 in all have got past the DM censor,its all against evans and Finnegan thats allowed to be published it seems
i followed this case and it stank from the start,hoping justice for evans will take place, i have signed a petition for this (available on line.)
now, i have also commented on some items on this case of Evans and Finnegan in the "daily mail" ,(yes i know) not one of my support comments, 5 in all have got past the DM censor,its all against evans and Finnegan thats allowed to be published it seems
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ivor - as you may or may not know, this issue has caused a contentious debate on here - cast your eyes right to the Judy Finnegan thread, and do feel free to join us over there.
I am interested in your position of supporting Mr Evans since he has been accused, charged, tried, convicted, and imprisoned under due process - can you enlighten me a little further?
I am interested in your position of supporting Mr Evans since he has been accused, charged, tried, convicted, and imprisoned under due process - can you enlighten me a little further?
I have read the report - and this is the thread to which I referred you - and if you have studied it, you will see that I have been a frequent contributor to the debate there.
Everyone in a UK jail guilty? I don;t have the facts necessary to make a reasonable judgement on that question - but my instinct is that no, not everyone is guilty.
However, I have no doubt about the guilty verdict in this case.
Everyone in a UK jail guilty? I don;t have the facts necessary to make a reasonable judgement on that question - but my instinct is that no, not everyone is guilty.
However, I have no doubt about the guilty verdict in this case.
remember the Birmingham 6 and the worst travesty of all the steven kiszko case
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She had no need to apologise this is what she actually said.
/// ‘He’s served his time. The rape – and I am not, please, by any means minimising any kind of rape – but the rape was not violent. He didn’t cause any bodily harm to the person. ///
/// ‘It was unpleasant, in a hotel room, I believe, and she was – she had far too much to drink. And you know, that is reprehensible, but he has been convicted and he has served his time. Now when he comes out, what are we supposed to do? Just actually refuse to let him do his job even though he has already been punished?’ ///
She wasn't making any excuse for the rape she was only stating a fact that the rape wasn't violent, which the trial judge had also pointed out "no force involved" and that "the complainant received no injuries".
So does anyone say even after he has served his sentence for what he had done, he should no longer be allowed to carry on in employment for the rest of his life?
Yes he carried out a horrible and disgusting crime but his victim received no physically injury and he did not kill her.
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/// She continued: “Did I say the rape itself was non-violent? Yes. The judge in the case said he took into account the fact there was "no force involved" and that "the complainant received no injuries".” ///
/// “But let me add that, to me, rape is rape. It is an appalling crime. I was simply reporting the legal facts of this case before commenting,” Judy added. ///
/// ‘He’s served his time. The rape – and I am not, please, by any means minimising any kind of rape – but the rape was not violent. He didn’t cause any bodily harm to the person. ///
/// ‘It was unpleasant, in a hotel room, I believe, and she was – she had far too much to drink. And you know, that is reprehensible, but he has been convicted and he has served his time. Now when he comes out, what are we supposed to do? Just actually refuse to let him do his job even though he has already been punished?’ ///
She wasn't making any excuse for the rape she was only stating a fact that the rape wasn't violent, which the trial judge had also pointed out "no force involved" and that "the complainant received no injuries".
So does anyone say even after he has served his sentence for what he had done, he should no longer be allowed to carry on in employment for the rest of his life?
Yes he carried out a horrible and disgusting crime but his victim received no physically injury and he did not kill her.
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/// She continued: “Did I say the rape itself was non-violent? Yes. The judge in the case said he took into account the fact there was "no force involved" and that "the complainant received no injuries".” ///
/// “But let me add that, to me, rape is rape. It is an appalling crime. I was simply reporting the legal facts of this case before commenting,” Judy added. ///
AOG - the parallel debate argued on one side that Ms Finnigan's comments were at best ill-jduged, and at worse, catagorically appalling in her apparent willingness to mitigate the offence of rape by appearing to suggest that a rape with no physical injury in a nice hotel room is in some way not as serious as a violent attack in a back alley somewhere.
I - and some others, have disagreed with position at some length.
My view is that Ms Finnigan appeared, by virtue of her stance, to offer some mitigation in the case, which I find unacceptable from a woman on television, and a woman of a young daughter.
On that basis, her apology was required, and I am pleased she had the grace and common sense to issue it.
I - and some others, have disagreed with position at some length.
My view is that Ms Finnigan appeared, by virtue of her stance, to offer some mitigation in the case, which I find unacceptable from a woman on television, and a woman of a young daughter.
On that basis, her apology was required, and I am pleased she had the grace and common sense to issue it.
chaptazbru2 - "Agree with BOO at 13:28"
Me too - everyone holds controversial opinions of one sort or another.
As a highly experienced and highly paid TV presenter, i would have expcted Ms Finnigan to know the differencec between those which you can espouse on national television, and those which are maybe best kept to yourself.
Me too - everyone holds controversial opinions of one sort or another.
As a highly experienced and highly paid TV presenter, i would have expcted Ms Finnigan to know the differencec between those which you can espouse on national television, and those which are maybe best kept to yourself.
andy-hughes
/// appalling in her apparent willingness to mitigate the offence of rape by appearing to suggest that a rape with no physical injury in a nice hotel room is in some way not as serious as a violent attack in a back alley
somewhere. ///
No it maybe none PC to state this but if a woman or even a man (since men can also be raped) had no other choice but to be raped in a nice hotel room, than in some back alley with physical injury or even a chance of death, I am sure the former would be the more acceptable.
In an ideal world it is obviously no one should be such victims, but we don't live in an ideal world, so I ask you Andy if you were to be physically attacked what would you prefer a punch in the face or being beaten unconscious, stabbed or even murdered?
In most crimes there are different levels of seriousness, why should rape be any different?
/// appalling in her apparent willingness to mitigate the offence of rape by appearing to suggest that a rape with no physical injury in a nice hotel room is in some way not as serious as a violent attack in a back alley
somewhere. ///
No it maybe none PC to state this but if a woman or even a man (since men can also be raped) had no other choice but to be raped in a nice hotel room, than in some back alley with physical injury or even a chance of death, I am sure the former would be the more acceptable.
In an ideal world it is obviously no one should be such victims, but we don't live in an ideal world, so I ask you Andy if you were to be physically attacked what would you prefer a punch in the face or being beaten unconscious, stabbed or even murdered?
In most crimes there are different levels of seriousness, why should rape be any different?
AOG - "No it maybe none PC to state this but if a woman or even a man (since men can also be raped) had no other choice but to be raped in a nice hotel room, than in some back alley with physical injury or even a chance of death, I am sure the former would be the more acceptable."
I have discussed this with another AB'er on the parallel thread, so i will avoid getting as angy with you as I did with her.
I will simply say this - I am not prepared to entertain the frankly facile notion of a choice of venue for a sexual assault. The entire comcept of rape revolves around the central premise of NO CHOICE, so to indulge in such abstract mindgames is franlky something I prefer not to do.
" ... so I ask you Andy if you were to be physically attacked what would you prefer a punch in the face or being beaten unconscious, stabbed or even murdered?"
I'd prefer aleins to land from Mars and shoot my assailant with their ray gun, if it's all the same to you.
I think we're on the same level of nonsensical whimsey now.
I have discussed this with another AB'er on the parallel thread, so i will avoid getting as angy with you as I did with her.
I will simply say this - I am not prepared to entertain the frankly facile notion of a choice of venue for a sexual assault. The entire comcept of rape revolves around the central premise of NO CHOICE, so to indulge in such abstract mindgames is franlky something I prefer not to do.
" ... so I ask you Andy if you were to be physically attacked what would you prefer a punch in the face or being beaten unconscious, stabbed or even murdered?"
I'd prefer aleins to land from Mars and shoot my assailant with their ray gun, if it's all the same to you.
I think we're on the same level of nonsensical whimsey now.
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