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Breaking: Alan Henning Dead
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Just breaking via Sky app by all accounts.
Expected but very sad all the same.
Expected but very sad all the same.
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naomi, I have a horrible feeling that chris19 is right, I've been trying to push those same suspicions away for some time.
RIP Alan, you must have died in horrified disbelief - which is our reaction. Thoughts and prayers with his family.
Agree that this is no time for niceties AOG, tell everyone else to get out and then bomb them to smithereens. We did discuss the neuclear option this morning, but who knows what that could lead to.
RIP Alan, you must have died in horrified disbelief - which is our reaction. Thoughts and prayers with his family.
Agree that this is no time for niceties AOG, tell everyone else to get out and then bomb them to smithereens. We did discuss the neuclear option this morning, but who knows what that could lead to.
I well up in tears everytime I see his face.
Why was someone who was helping poor people executed like a dog and his muslim counterparts freed? His colleagues could have been spies working for global governments for all we know.
Maybe they're more trusting with their "Own" which is certainly naive imo.
We should stop ALL foreign news reporters/Aid workers so we don't give Isis any more targets to kidnap/slay. Can this be done?
Either way I hope if there is a god that he gets the 72 virgins of those that sanctioned his murder and those that sanctioned his murder get 72 virgin male goats instead.
R.I.P Alan, gone but never forgotten...
Why was someone who was helping poor people executed like a dog and his muslim counterparts freed? His colleagues could have been spies working for global governments for all we know.
Maybe they're more trusting with their "Own" which is certainly naive imo.
We should stop ALL foreign news reporters/Aid workers so we don't give Isis any more targets to kidnap/slay. Can this be done?
Either way I hope if there is a god that he gets the 72 virgins of those that sanctioned his murder and those that sanctioned his murder get 72 virgin male goats instead.
R.I.P Alan, gone but never forgotten...
Henrietta
You asked:
"We should stop ALL foreign news reporters/Aid workers so we don't give Isis any more targets to kidnap/slay. Can this be done?"
I very much doubt it. However, if I were related to an aid worker, who was out in Syria, or any country with links to ISIL, I would be on the phone *demanding* that they come back home immediately.
Whilst their intentions may be honourable, they are in real danger. At some point, you would have to say, "Your life and my future happiness should not be compromised by the danger you are in, whilst carrying on your work out there".
Quite simply, my attitude would be "Sod the aid...your life is worth more".
You asked:
"We should stop ALL foreign news reporters/Aid workers so we don't give Isis any more targets to kidnap/slay. Can this be done?"
I very much doubt it. However, if I were related to an aid worker, who was out in Syria, or any country with links to ISIL, I would be on the phone *demanding* that they come back home immediately.
Whilst their intentions may be honourable, they are in real danger. At some point, you would have to say, "Your life and my future happiness should not be compromised by the danger you are in, whilst carrying on your work out there".
Quite simply, my attitude would be "Sod the aid...your life is worth more".
My thoughts exactly SP. I think that all Western-based aid organisations should cease their operations in this area with immediate effect. Let Saudi Arabia and the other obscenely mega-rich Gulf states send in their aid instead. Than the others can concentrate on other parts of the globe where their efforts are more appreciated and valued.
Oh come on Birdie. Normally I would ignore your posts as you do not deserve any response. Please don’t make this a thread where you post usual twisted meanings of Quran. An innocent person has been killed by few animals and these same animals have killed so many Muslims too. Therefore I would not go into long debates with you on what Quran does or does not say, however as you have posted couple of verses or part of verses as it suited you, therefore I would yet once again show here what you have missed, purposely of course.
I wonder why you put …. With the verse 47/4 you mentioned? Because full verse tells that it is war time verse, and here is the full verse,
47/4 So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.
And for Quran 8/12, I would only say that perhaps you should have made an effort to read verses after 12 as well, but of course you can’t do that when you are just copying and pasting.
I wonder why you put …. With the verse 47/4 you mentioned? Because full verse tells that it is war time verse, and here is the full verse,
47/4 So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.
And for Quran 8/12, I would only say that perhaps you should have made an effort to read verses after 12 as well, but of course you can’t do that when you are just copying and pasting.
@keyplus
Why are Quran quotes so often interpersed with bits in brackets?
Can you not just quote the words as they appear on the page and let the reader do their own interpretation of them?
To clarify my meaning, inserting extra words just comes across as insertion of someone else's interpretation.
Secondly, how does a warrior determine the beliefs of an opponent in the thick of a battle? Not much opportunity to strike up a conversation, is there?
I conclude that this can only be done either by prejudice, stereotyping of a well-known, long term opponent: Medinans versus Meccans, for example, or because they're wearing some obvious symbology of some other religion - a Crusader army, for instance.
Remove the bracketed reference to battle and the sentence makes more sense: strike the heads off non believers. It's genocidal but no-one saw that as a bad thing, 13 centuries ago.
Why are Quran quotes so often interpersed with bits in brackets?
Can you not just quote the words as they appear on the page and let the reader do their own interpretation of them?
To clarify my meaning, inserting extra words just comes across as insertion of someone else's interpretation.
Secondly, how does a warrior determine the beliefs of an opponent in the thick of a battle? Not much opportunity to strike up a conversation, is there?
I conclude that this can only be done either by prejudice, stereotyping of a well-known, long term opponent: Medinans versus Meccans, for example, or because they're wearing some obvious symbology of some other religion - a Crusader army, for instance.
Remove the bracketed reference to battle and the sentence makes more sense: strike the heads off non believers. It's genocidal but no-one saw that as a bad thing, 13 centuries ago.
Keyplus - "... Normally I would ignore your posts as you do not deserve any response. Please don’t make this a thread where you post usual twisted meanings of Quran..."
No Keyplus. Let's be honest here; you ignore my posts because I ask questions of you and your religion that you dare not confront. As usual you make the baseless claim that I am twisting the meanings of the Koran when I am doing no such thing. I am reporting what the Koran says, word for word, using approved sources.
It doesn't matter that 47:4 is a 'war' quote. What do you think is happening in the Middle East with ISIS? They're at 'war' with the infidels. That's how they view it and they are using those parts of the Koran to justify their deeds. In fact, Islam is constantly in a state of war with the non-Islamic world. The Koran divides the world into two very distinct 'houses' - the House of Islam (Dar al-Islam) and the House of War (Dar al-Harb) - both are entirely invented entities which ostensibly puts Islam in a permanent state of war until it rules the entire world. So please don't moan and whine that I'm quoting the 'war' parts of the Koran since Islam presupposes a constant war with all non-muslims until it subjugates and dominates the entire world.
You have previously said that you'd be happy to see the Islamic flag flying above Buckingham Palace. You have also repeatedly requested to meet me in person and have even offered to pay my air-fare to Pakistan to debate the finer points of Islam with your 'friends'. Do you remember doing that Keyplus or has your highly selective memory failed you again in that regard?
The fact is Keyplus, your defence of Islam comes from a very scary place. You're an apologist extraordinaire and you appear to see no wrong in threatening physical violence to people who oppose your views. I would suggest that you'd fit into ISIS like a round peg...
No Keyplus. Let's be honest here; you ignore my posts because I ask questions of you and your religion that you dare not confront. As usual you make the baseless claim that I am twisting the meanings of the Koran when I am doing no such thing. I am reporting what the Koran says, word for word, using approved sources.
It doesn't matter that 47:4 is a 'war' quote. What do you think is happening in the Middle East with ISIS? They're at 'war' with the infidels. That's how they view it and they are using those parts of the Koran to justify their deeds. In fact, Islam is constantly in a state of war with the non-Islamic world. The Koran divides the world into two very distinct 'houses' - the House of Islam (Dar al-Islam) and the House of War (Dar al-Harb) - both are entirely invented entities which ostensibly puts Islam in a permanent state of war until it rules the entire world. So please don't moan and whine that I'm quoting the 'war' parts of the Koran since Islam presupposes a constant war with all non-muslims until it subjugates and dominates the entire world.
You have previously said that you'd be happy to see the Islamic flag flying above Buckingham Palace. You have also repeatedly requested to meet me in person and have even offered to pay my air-fare to Pakistan to debate the finer points of Islam with your 'friends'. Do you remember doing that Keyplus or has your highly selective memory failed you again in that regard?
The fact is Keyplus, your defence of Islam comes from a very scary place. You're an apologist extraordinaire and you appear to see no wrong in threatening physical violence to people who oppose your views. I would suggest that you'd fit into ISIS like a round peg...
Hypognosis – The reason behind brackets what I can think is to tell people about the context, time or place. Because every reader does not go and read history and that is the reason a good number of scholars believe that only translation or interpretation is not good either and reader should read Quran with a reputable commentary.
As for your other question then in battlefield at that time people most of the time knew who they were fighting as most of the times they used to be face to face. Not like now that you can press a button and strike in the other part of the world. Then Islam believes in fighting only as in defence and not in offence.
2-190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
A thought provoking article about ISIS.
http://
As for your other question then in battlefield at that time people most of the time knew who they were fighting as most of the times they used to be face to face. Not like now that you can press a button and strike in the other part of the world. Then Islam believes in fighting only as in defence and not in offence.
2-190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
A thought provoking article about ISIS.
http://
Keyplus - "... Islam believes in fighting only as in defence and not in offence..."
You really do live in cloud-cuckoo-land land if you believe that. Islam is predicated on the subjugation of its religious 'enemies'. The quote you cite does nothing to change that. On this matter Keyplus, you are delusional.
As for your link... just more conspiracy drivel as usual (ie. ISIS = CIA, etc.). Pathetic Keyplus. Truly pathetic.
You really do live in cloud-cuckoo-land land if you believe that. Islam is predicated on the subjugation of its religious 'enemies'. The quote you cite does nothing to change that. On this matter Keyplus, you are delusional.
As for your link... just more conspiracy drivel as usual (ie. ISIS = CIA, etc.). Pathetic Keyplus. Truly pathetic.
@keyplus
//2-190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. //
Which appears to mean "no wars of conquest".
So, should Islam have conquered Mecca? Or any lands anywhere outside the borders of Medina?
Anyone care to let ISIS know the answer to that?
//2-190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. //
Which appears to mean "no wars of conquest".
So, should Islam have conquered Mecca? Or any lands anywhere outside the borders of Medina?
Anyone care to let ISIS know the answer to that?
Hypognosis
Unfortunately Keyplus's version of Islam is at odds with reality. Even though he says he has read the Koran he seems completely unaware of (or unwilling to accept) Islam's expansionist totalitarian goals, its abhorrent treatment of women, unbelievers and apostates and its sickening propensity for violence against any and all those who oppose it. He also appears to think that any muslim who carries out an act of evil isn't a 'real' muslim or is an under-cover CIA operative pretending to be a muslim in order to undermine Islam.
To categorise Keyplus as somewhat delusional (as I regularly do) doesn't really begin to describe the truly warped nature of the man. This is why he routinely ignores my posts; he knows I've got the measure of both him and Islam and he really doesn't like it one little bit.
Unfortunately Keyplus's version of Islam is at odds with reality. Even though he says he has read the Koran he seems completely unaware of (or unwilling to accept) Islam's expansionist totalitarian goals, its abhorrent treatment of women, unbelievers and apostates and its sickening propensity for violence against any and all those who oppose it. He also appears to think that any muslim who carries out an act of evil isn't a 'real' muslim or is an under-cover CIA operative pretending to be a muslim in order to undermine Islam.
To categorise Keyplus as somewhat delusional (as I regularly do) doesn't really begin to describe the truly warped nature of the man. This is why he routinely ignores my posts; he knows I've got the measure of both him and Islam and he really doesn't like it one little bit.
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