The Post Office Horizon Enquiry
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Do Ukip Only Employ Immigrant Actors?
Oh dear its happened again. After all the comment about Farage employing his German wife, and then the racist Zimbabwean who appeared in their party political broadcast, it tirns out that the destitute builder begging in their latest poster is actually a Dubliner...
// Nigel Farage faces embarrassment over his plans to radically curb migration from Europe after it emerged an actor in a Ukip billboard is an Irish immigrant.
The apparently destitute builder in the party’s latest advert is believed by party officials to be a Dubliner named Dave O’Rourke, a Ukip spokesman confirmed. //
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Do these Irishmen and Zimabweans not have an accent? As UKiP wants to cut immigration, should they not ask people to bring their passports to casting of filming sessions to make sure they are employing British people.
These gaffes just make them a laughing stock and are avoidable. The conclusion is that they either are serially incompetent, or they don't practice what they preach.
Do you agree that these errors are damaging UKiPs message?
// Nigel Farage faces embarrassment over his plans to radically curb migration from Europe after it emerged an actor in a Ukip billboard is an Irish immigrant.
The apparently destitute builder in the party’s latest advert is believed by party officials to be a Dubliner named Dave O’Rourke, a Ukip spokesman confirmed. //
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Do these Irishmen and Zimabweans not have an accent? As UKiP wants to cut immigration, should they not ask people to bring their passports to casting of filming sessions to make sure they are employing British people.
These gaffes just make them a laughing stock and are avoidable. The conclusion is that they either are serially incompetent, or they don't practice what they preach.
Do you agree that these errors are damaging UKiPs message?
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>>>should they not ask people to bring their passports to casting of filming sessions to make sure they are employing British people
. . . which would mean that they'd be in breach of EU regulations if they favoured a UK actor over one from, say, Ireland. (They might not like EU laws but they know that they'd face problems if they simply ignored them!)
. . . which would mean that they'd be in breach of EU regulations if they favoured a UK actor over one from, say, Ireland. (They might not like EU laws but they know that they'd face problems if they simply ignored them!)
"Builder out of work due to immigration in Ukip advert is 'hardworking' Irish immigrant, party believes"
Big deal. This is all getting very silly now and people are starting to get bored with hearing UKIP being labelled racist, fascist and all the rest of it, so now its getting more desperate with nonsense such like this.
Non story.
Big deal. This is all getting very silly now and people are starting to get bored with hearing UKIP being labelled racist, fascist and all the rest of it, so now its getting more desperate with nonsense such like this.
Non story.
Ukip are only being openhearted and giving Dave - a poor Irish navvy a break into the big time, he'll be appearing on Big Brother before long. As for the Zimbabwean he must have got in without anyone noticing (as they do) and because he has a couple of aunties here and a cat he loves dearly we can't shift him. Ukip are not racist, and I dont think their message has damaged them as a result. The 'gaffes' were not incredibly newsworthy, and I didn't see them as being a laughing stock. Now Miliband and Balls.......
EU Regulation 492/2011 (Chapter 1, Section 1, Article 1) states:
"1. Any national of a Member State shall, irrespective of his place of residence, have the right to take up an activity as an employed person, and to pursue such activity, within the territory of another Member State in accordance with the provisions laid down by law, regulation or administrative action governing the employment of nationals of that State.
2. He shall, in particular, have the right to take up available employment in the territory of another Member State with the same priority as nationals of that State.".
(i.e. any UK employer who gives priority to British workers over those from other EU countries is in breach of Regulation 492/2011)
There has always been a general requirement upon EU member states to ensure that EU Regulations are observed but that general requirement was strengthened last month by the draft approval of a new Regulation (building upon 492/2011) which requires all EU member states to have specific bodies in place (such as the UK's EHRC) to actively deal with complaints of discrimination against EU workers on the grounds of their nationalities.
"1. Any national of a Member State shall, irrespective of his place of residence, have the right to take up an activity as an employed person, and to pursue such activity, within the territory of another Member State in accordance with the provisions laid down by law, regulation or administrative action governing the employment of nationals of that State.
2. He shall, in particular, have the right to take up available employment in the territory of another Member State with the same priority as nationals of that State.".
(i.e. any UK employer who gives priority to British workers over those from other EU countries is in breach of Regulation 492/2011)
There has always been a general requirement upon EU member states to ensure that EU Regulations are observed but that general requirement was strengthened last month by the draft approval of a new Regulation (building upon 492/2011) which requires all EU member states to have specific bodies in place (such as the UK's EHRC) to actively deal with complaints of discrimination against EU workers on the grounds of their nationalities.
Gromit - "... Do you agree that these errors are damaging UKiPs message?..."
Only very slightly. I think that most people who've already decided to vote UKIP have done so because they're sick to the back teeth of being slowly subsumed into the behemoth that is the EU. Marital indiscretions and minor financial irregularities by the members of UKIP are not going to put the vast majority of people off voting for them in May.
That being said, these kinds of mistakes are easily avoidable if one thinks about what one is doing beforehand. With that in mind, can you explain what you mean by, "... Do these Irishmen and Zimabweans not have an accent?..."
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Only very slightly. I think that most people who've already decided to vote UKIP have done so because they're sick to the back teeth of being slowly subsumed into the behemoth that is the EU. Marital indiscretions and minor financial irregularities by the members of UKIP are not going to put the vast majority of people off voting for them in May.
That being said, these kinds of mistakes are easily avoidable if one thinks about what one is doing beforehand. With that in mind, can you explain what you mean by, "... Do these Irishmen and Zimabweans not have an accent?..."
;-)
↑ Unfortunately you can't trust any other political party either.
I don't think that most people who are going to vote for UKIP think that all UKIP members are paragons of virtue or that the party is a wonderful, benevolent entity that will shower the British electorate with prosperity and wealth should they gain power. Some UKIP members are sh*ts. Compare and contrast that with the other three main political parties: they have members who are sh*ts also. No political party is perfect because it is made up of fallible, intelligent, gullible, stupid and brilliant individuals.
If one wants out of the EU, what other choice do people have other than UKIP?
Labour: Staunch EU supporters - chance of EU exit? Nil.
Lib Dem: Staunch EU supporters - chance of EU exit? Nil
Conservative... you get the idea.
I don't think that most people who are going to vote for UKIP think that all UKIP members are paragons of virtue or that the party is a wonderful, benevolent entity that will shower the British electorate with prosperity and wealth should they gain power. Some UKIP members are sh*ts. Compare and contrast that with the other three main political parties: they have members who are sh*ts also. No political party is perfect because it is made up of fallible, intelligent, gullible, stupid and brilliant individuals.
If one wants out of the EU, what other choice do people have other than UKIP?
Labour: Staunch EU supporters - chance of EU exit? Nil.
Lib Dem: Staunch EU supporters - chance of EU exit? Nil
Conservative... you get the idea.
I suspect these gaffes will be forgotten when we vote in a months time. And UKiP will do very well. But they will need to concentrate more and cut put these silly mistakes if they want to build on that success.
Assuming they double the number of MEPs they have, party finances my be greatly improved, and they might be able to employ more professional party workers.
Assuming they double the number of MEPs they have, party finances my be greatly improved, and they might be able to employ more professional party workers.
mikey4444 "... [UKIP] stir up xenophobia about Jonny Foreigner coming to steal jobs from our plucky British construction workers..."
What is it about the immigration debate that leads some people to immediately play the "race" or "xenophobia" card? Are they so blinkered that they cannot grasp the concept of population saturation? Do you, Mike, honestly think that the UK's capacity to absorb people is unlimited? Do you really think that the NHS and the welfare system has limitless resources? I assume you don't because to believe so is absurd.
A person's birth place, colour, creed, gender and sexuality is of no consequence to me. I could not care less. What I am concerned about though is societal infrastructure.
What is it about the immigration debate that leads some people to immediately play the "race" or "xenophobia" card? Are they so blinkered that they cannot grasp the concept of population saturation? Do you, Mike, honestly think that the UK's capacity to absorb people is unlimited? Do you really think that the NHS and the welfare system has limitless resources? I assume you don't because to believe so is absurd.
A person's birth place, colour, creed, gender and sexuality is of no consequence to me. I could not care less. What I am concerned about though is societal infrastructure.
birdie and order limit....I too have concerns about unlimited immigration, as any sensible person would do, but that is not the point of Gromit's original post, which I was addressing. UKIP have committed another gaff by using a foreign actor, in an advertisement, and using a foreign-born idiot in their recent broadcast.
It is UKIP's descent in complete chaos that is the problem here. UKIP are stirring up xenophobia in exactly the same way as others did in the 30's, albeit, without the bristly haircuts and silly clothing.
And I have never, not ever will, make apologies for ridiculing the Far Right, which I remind you is on the march all over Europe. We ignore this at our peril, as history has already taught us.
It is UKIP's descent in complete chaos that is the problem here. UKIP are stirring up xenophobia in exactly the same way as others did in the 30's, albeit, without the bristly haircuts and silly clothing.
And I have never, not ever will, make apologies for ridiculing the Far Right, which I remind you is on the march all over Europe. We ignore this at our peril, as history has already taught us.
Why are so many expressing mock consternation when a political party uses actors in its posters. It's always happened. And why does it matter where this actor comes from? It doesn't. Example: Labour isn't Working (1979). The people in the 'dole queue' weren't really on benefits. More posturing from the other parties, more slavish acquiescence by churnalists.
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