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Should The Children Of Islamic Radicals Be Taken Into Care?
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One may not particularly like Boris or his politics, but can anyone disagree with him over this?
One may not particularly like Boris or his politics, but can anyone disagree with him over this?
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A publicity seeking stunt IMO and in answer to your question no I would never advocate removing children from their parents over their religious beliefs unless those beliefs could be shown to be detrimental to the health and well being of the child.
The answer as far as I am concerned is for all children to be educated in state run schools with no religion on the agenda.
The more these children are integrated into a western civilised society the less likely they are to become radicalised.
The answer as far as I am concerned is for all children to be educated in state run schools with no religion on the agenda.
The more these children are integrated into a western civilised society the less likely they are to become radicalised.
I see the benefits to the children and society but it is a dangerous area adding reasons for authorities to remove a child from it's parents. I think one still needs to judge each case on it's merits and decide when something becomes child abuse. Maybe if the parent is a known fanatical they may mean most times the ok is given to remove the child, but it ought not be automatic.
chrisgel
/// I would never advocate removing children from their parents over their religious beliefs unless those beliefs could be shown to be detrimental to the health and well being of the child. ///
Don't you think that perhaps blowing themselves up when they become a little older isn't reason enough?
And it would certainly be detrimental to their health.
/// The answer as far as I am concerned is for all children to be educated in state run schools with no religion on the agenda.
The more these children are integrated into a western civilised society the less likely they are to become radicalised. ///
Surely you are not really naive enough to believe that are you?
/// I would never advocate removing children from their parents over their religious beliefs unless those beliefs could be shown to be detrimental to the health and well being of the child. ///
Don't you think that perhaps blowing themselves up when they become a little older isn't reason enough?
And it would certainly be detrimental to their health.
/// The answer as far as I am concerned is for all children to be educated in state run schools with no religion on the agenda.
The more these children are integrated into a western civilised society the less likely they are to become radicalised. ///
Surely you are not really naive enough to believe that are you?
Old_Geezer
I don't think it is being suggested that it becomes automatic.
/// The Mayor wrote in the Daily Telegraph: ‘A child may be taken into care if he or she is being exposed to pornography, or is being abused – but not if the child is being habituated to this utterly bleak and nihilistic view of the world that could lead them to become murderers. ///
I don't think it is being suggested that it becomes automatic.
/// The Mayor wrote in the Daily Telegraph: ‘A child may be taken into care if he or she is being exposed to pornography, or is being abused – but not if the child is being habituated to this utterly bleak and nihilistic view of the world that could lead them to become murderers. ///
Even by Mr Johnson's hair-brained tendencies, this is one of the mosy ludicrous, and simultaneously sinister ideas I have ever heard!
George Orwell told of a fatalistic future with his nightmare of The Thought Police - and Mr Johnson wishes to make it a reality.
You cannot remove children from their parents on the basis that they 'might be radicalised'. How on earth is anyone supposed to measure a nebulous concept like that?
Where do we stop? Should we remove children from 'country people' in case they grow up to indulge in blood sports?
Do we remove children from all Jehovah's Witnesses in case they ever need, and are denied medical attention?
The whole idea smacks of blatant Nazi ideology - the idea of constructing a society on the basis of what people 'may' or 'may not' say or do in their own homes.
Mr Johnson should be ashamed of himself for pontificating such arrant nonsense.
Perhaps he shouold ponder the removal of his own children lest they be 'radicalised' into being right-wing crackpots when they grow up - after following his example.
George Orwell told of a fatalistic future with his nightmare of The Thought Police - and Mr Johnson wishes to make it a reality.
You cannot remove children from their parents on the basis that they 'might be radicalised'. How on earth is anyone supposed to measure a nebulous concept like that?
Where do we stop? Should we remove children from 'country people' in case they grow up to indulge in blood sports?
Do we remove children from all Jehovah's Witnesses in case they ever need, and are denied medical attention?
The whole idea smacks of blatant Nazi ideology - the idea of constructing a society on the basis of what people 'may' or 'may not' say or do in their own homes.
Mr Johnson should be ashamed of himself for pontificating such arrant nonsense.
Perhaps he shouold ponder the removal of his own children lest they be 'radicalised' into being right-wing crackpots when they grow up - after following his example.
AOG
First of all, would we not have to define what an Islamist radical' is? I couldn't disagree with the notion of the children of convicted terrorists being taken into care, but we would have to be careful about what call a 'radical'.
I would agree that someone who brings their children up to hate the notion of western freedoms, to actively hate those who are not Muslim and (most importantly) to carry out acts if violence based on these views should indeed have their children removed from them...
But in practical terms - how would this work?
Would we limit it to the children of convicted terrorists? Or spread the net wider to those who have been convicted of encouraging terrorism? Or wider still, and include those who follow strict religious doctrines which we strongly disagree with?
And should we only target Muslims?
First of all, would we not have to define what an Islamist radical' is? I couldn't disagree with the notion of the children of convicted terrorists being taken into care, but we would have to be careful about what call a 'radical'.
I would agree that someone who brings their children up to hate the notion of western freedoms, to actively hate those who are not Muslim and (most importantly) to carry out acts if violence based on these views should indeed have their children removed from them...
But in practical terms - how would this work?
Would we limit it to the children of convicted terrorists? Or spread the net wider to those who have been convicted of encouraging terrorism? Or wider still, and include those who follow strict religious doctrines which we strongly disagree with?
And should we only target Muslims?
youngmafbog - that is agreeing with Mr Johsnon's sweeping generalisation that all children will automatically follow in their parents' footsteps, which is an utter nonsense.
My father was an alcoholic wife-beater, I am neither, but under Mr Johnson's scheme, I should have been removed, in case I became as he was - it is funny, were it not so sinister and deeply frightening, that a man in a potential position of power can not only think like this, but think it out loud where other people can hear him.
My father was an alcoholic wife-beater, I am neither, but under Mr Johnson's scheme, I should have been removed, in case I became as he was - it is funny, were it not so sinister and deeply frightening, that a man in a potential position of power can not only think like this, but think it out loud where other people can hear him.
Personally I think children in families with any kind of extreme ideaoogy, Islam/right wing christian/medicine hating but homeopathic loving etc should be instantly removed. But that will be with just my dictatorship head on rather than a practical soluition.
I do believe that there should be no religiously run state schools and that religion should be seperated out completely from politics where in my opinion, it has no place.
I do believe that there should be no religiously run state schools and that religion should be seperated out completely from politics where in my opinion, it has no place.
keyplus90
Hmmm...that sounds like a massive can of worms being opened.
Those who opposed the Iraq war could easily be swept up in to that category. I am sure that there are hundreds if thousands, if not millions, of people around the country who opposed the war, but wouldn't call themselves 'radicals'.
youngmafbog - I understand your argument that the children of those who have been convicted of committing an act of terrorism would be better off removed from their homes, but there are complications there too.
What if the father bombs an army barracks, is tried and convicted, but his wife knew nothing of his radicalism? Should she lose her children?
Hmmm...that sounds like a massive can of worms being opened.
Those who opposed the Iraq war could easily be swept up in to that category. I am sure that there are hundreds if thousands, if not millions, of people around the country who opposed the war, but wouldn't call themselves 'radicals'.
youngmafbog - I understand your argument that the children of those who have been convicted of committing an act of terrorism would be better off removed from their homes, but there are complications there too.
What if the father bombs an army barracks, is tried and convicted, but his wife knew nothing of his radicalism? Should she lose her children?
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