Is It Time Life Meant Life?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/429842/Government-need-to-explain-why-FIVE-lifers-were-free-to-kill-again-demands-Tory-MP

[Zeuhl]

/I suppose you'd see it as acceptable collateral damage. I don't./

TTT

/During the 12 years to 2011, the police recorded more than three million road casualties in Great Britain.

More than 36,000 people lost their lives and another 373,985 were seriously injured./

Is that 'collateral damage' to us getting around? I suppose so

Are we 'happy' about that? Do we accept it as reality? Do we do our best to reduce it to 'just' 2.5 million casualties?

Alternatively, if you want to get equally indignant about that much more significant loss of 'innocents' perhaps you would like to ban all motorised transport?

[Zeuhl]

/I don't think a killer's right to freedom should ever come above an innocent person's right to life./

It doesn't pixie
Killers are freed based on a judgement they won't take an innocent person's life

Apparently, they get it right 99.7% of the time

[baza]

if a murderer is awarded life then they should serve life, at least then you know where the scumbags are.

[pixie373]

Very good point, zeuhl. Although motorised transport is not designed to kill and is usually of high benefit to many people. Can you say the same about a murderer?

[ToraToraTora]

You insist on making this a statistical issue. I am talking about demonstrably avoidable casualties. The road traffic issues are not aviodable unless none of us leave the house.

[Sqad]

\\\\Apparently, they get it right 99.7% of the time\\\

I love statistics.

99.7% of killers released from prison live a useful life? I doubt that.

[pixie373]

Sqad, 99.7% of killers don't get caught again

[Zeuhl]

/99.7% of killers released from prison live a useful life? I doubt that. /

No one said that sqad

99.7% of Lifers released on Licence don't kill again

That seems perfectly relevant to a debate on whether the recidivism of a few should mean that all Lifers should be kept locked up forever

[Zeuhl]

/I am talking about demonstrably avoidable casualties. The road traffic issues are not aviodable unless none of us leave the house/

TTT

try telling that to a Traffic Officer and see what you get

The point is, we accept a certain number of 'avoidable' traffic deaths because the alternatives are unrealistic/expensive/detrimental to others etc etc

It doesn't mean you are happy about those casualties does it?

[Sqad]

Zeuhl.......;-).....quite correct.

[ToraToraTora]

accidents happen, yes, we accept that, they are avoidable only by extreme measures where the "cure" is worse than the "desease". That is not what we are discussing here.

[Zeuhl]

/where the "cure" is worse than the "desease". That is not what we are discussing here. /

I think it is

The notion of jailing every Lifer without any opportunity for parole would have massive implications for the Prison Service and deny those who will genuinely repent, rehabilitate and be ready for reintegration into society no hope whatsoever

That seems illogical when in 99.7% of cases the system releases Lifers who do not kill anyone.