Connections 322 - Sunday 28 April
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How Will You Vote At The Next General Election?
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We have read in past posts that Cameron is finished, the Tories are finished, the Tory/LibDem coalition is finished, the LibDems are finished and UKIP haven't a cat in hells chance of winning the next election.
With all this in mind and the experiences of the disastrous 13 years of Blair's and Browns New Labour, how will you vote at the next General Election and why?
For those who give a positive "I'll vote labour" then by doing so will you expect Labour to reverse everything the Coalition has implemented during their term of office, so that things will go back to how they were during the Blair/Brown days?
With all this in mind and the experiences of the disastrous 13 years of Blair's and Browns New Labour, how will you vote at the next General Election and why?
For those who give a positive "I'll vote labour" then by doing so will you expect Labour to reverse everything the Coalition has implemented during their term of office, so that things will go back to how they were during the Blair/Brown days?
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UKIP . Ed Mil's. Labour , according to his speech to the Fabian Society, would take us back to Callaghans union dominated society.
Labour and the Libs are pro EU and Ed said no to a referendum.
Cameron wants to put everything on hold until after he is re-elected.
Who does he think will fall for that one ?
Labour and the Libs are pro EU and Ed said no to a referendum.
Cameron wants to put everything on hold until after he is re-elected.
Who does he think will fall for that one ?
Labour. No more tactical voting Lib Dem for me.
What is happening now (i.e. a government, Lab or Con, well behind in the polls embarked on an austerity programme) was predicted at the time of the last election. The Tories can add to the reasons for their unpopularity a record of quite shocking incompetence. At least they do deserve credit for backtracking from some of their more hare-brained policies.
There are, on the other hand, doubtless a handful of genuinely disappointed peope who seriously thought the private sector was going to come to the UK's rescue in the lifetime of a single Parliament against the backdrop of an economy with stunted demand. Those people have presumably gone back to reading more conventional fairy stories.
So that's me. Not a lot of point arguing. There are very broadly speaking two types of voter: those who vote for the party which they think most stands for their view of how society ought to be and those whose voting intentions are more influenced by their perception of one party's recent performances versus the other. I'm in the former camp like I suspect a good many here.
What is happening now (i.e. a government, Lab or Con, well behind in the polls embarked on an austerity programme) was predicted at the time of the last election. The Tories can add to the reasons for their unpopularity a record of quite shocking incompetence. At least they do deserve credit for backtracking from some of their more hare-brained policies.
There are, on the other hand, doubtless a handful of genuinely disappointed peope who seriously thought the private sector was going to come to the UK's rescue in the lifetime of a single Parliament against the backdrop of an economy with stunted demand. Those people have presumably gone back to reading more conventional fairy stories.
So that's me. Not a lot of point arguing. There are very broadly speaking two types of voter: those who vote for the party which they think most stands for their view of how society ought to be and those whose voting intentions are more influenced by their perception of one party's recent performances versus the other. I'm in the former camp like I suspect a good many here.
I'm torn between not voting and spoiling my ballot - which is what I did last time (and last time was the first election I was eligible to vote in).
I loathe the present government. I think the economics driving the 'austerity' measures is incredibly badly thought-out and has never really been seriously discussed. I also agree with all the points made by ichkeria. However I cannot bring myself to vote Labour. Much as they're the only people who can dislodge the coalition, I despise Miliband and find his attitude to politics as poisonous and synthetic as that of the government. He has been a worthless Opposition leader and I have no faith whatsoever in him or the rest of the shadow cabinet.
The act of going to the ballot box and making your mark feels to me like on some level an expression of faith in the system it's a part of. And at the moment, if I'm being completely honest with myself, that's not a faith I really feel like I have at the moment. The reason I'm considering abstaining isn't out of apathy - it's out of contempt. I guess I'll have to see how I feel on the day.
I loathe the present government. I think the economics driving the 'austerity' measures is incredibly badly thought-out and has never really been seriously discussed. I also agree with all the points made by ichkeria. However I cannot bring myself to vote Labour. Much as they're the only people who can dislodge the coalition, I despise Miliband and find his attitude to politics as poisonous and synthetic as that of the government. He has been a worthless Opposition leader and I have no faith whatsoever in him or the rest of the shadow cabinet.
The act of going to the ballot box and making your mark feels to me like on some level an expression of faith in the system it's a part of. And at the moment, if I'm being completely honest with myself, that's not a faith I really feel like I have at the moment. The reason I'm considering abstaining isn't out of apathy - it's out of contempt. I guess I'll have to see how I feel on the day.
em10:
"I am constantly amazed when people moan about those on benefits, scroungers and all that nonsense, yet the coalition have been trying to do something to bring the welfare bill down, yet when they do, everyone is up in arms, you can't have it both ways. "
There is absolutely nothing unreasonable about wanting changes to the welfare system but opposing the specific ones that the government proposes.
"I am constantly amazed when people moan about those on benefits, scroungers and all that nonsense, yet the coalition have been trying to do something to bring the welfare bill down, yet when they do, everyone is up in arms, you can't have it both ways. "
There is absolutely nothing unreasonable about wanting changes to the welfare system but opposing the specific ones that the government proposes.
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shaneystar2
/// "You seem to enjoy being insulting "
Pot and kettle AOG ...if you don't like then don't dish it out .You obviously don't like a taste of your own medicine . ///
Excuse me but wasn't it yourself who first started to dish out the insults, ie "What an arrogant man you are AOG"? Therefore I generally treat people as they treat me, that is by returning like for like.
But then having seen later examples of your various insulting ways, I suppose I should have took the higher ground and ignored your insult, by putting it down to the type of person you obviously must be.
/// You are so patronising at times and seem to pick bits out of peoples posts and twist them round to suit your own arguments and views . ///
Being new to the News Section, you have obviously failed to noticed that it is every debater's aim to pick relevant pieces from your opponents argument so as to turn them round to gain one's own personal view point.
/// "You seem to enjoy being insulting "
Pot and kettle AOG ...if you don't like then don't dish it out .You obviously don't like a taste of your own medicine . ///
Excuse me but wasn't it yourself who first started to dish out the insults, ie "What an arrogant man you are AOG"? Therefore I generally treat people as they treat me, that is by returning like for like.
But then having seen later examples of your various insulting ways, I suppose I should have took the higher ground and ignored your insult, by putting it down to the type of person you obviously must be.
/// You are so patronising at times and seem to pick bits out of peoples posts and twist them round to suit your own arguments and views . ///
Being new to the News Section, you have obviously failed to noticed that it is every debater's aim to pick relevant pieces from your opponents argument so as to turn them round to gain one's own personal view point.
aog, do you make the same general observation of life- long Conservative voters that you do of Labour ones. That is that they belong to a certain class, which is working class in the case of Labour? You seem to be suggesting that working class Labour voters would not vote otherwise because they would be class traitors if they did, with the consequence that no further thought is necessary.
If you accept that some voters will vote Conservative every time , quite unthinkingly, because it has always been and always will be the right thing to do, are you able to describe for us what that person is typically like? Incidentally, was not Johnny Speight's character, Alf Garnett, a life-long Conservative voter?
If you accept that some voters will vote Conservative every time , quite unthinkingly, because it has always been and always will be the right thing to do, are you able to describe for us what that person is typically like? Incidentally, was not Johnny Speight's character, Alf Garnett, a life-long Conservative voter?
Kromovaracun
/// How will you vote, AOG? ///
That is a one million dollar question, most true Tories voted Conservative at the last election, especially after enduring 13 disastrous years of New Labour, but they didn't expect to be put in bed with the Lib/Dems.
So until there comes a time when the Tories can enter a true right-wing party there is only one party left available at the moment, and that is UKIP.
I don't know what their other policies are but at least they are anti Europe, which can't be a bad thing.
/// How will you vote, AOG? ///
That is a one million dollar question, most true Tories voted Conservative at the last election, especially after enduring 13 disastrous years of New Labour, but they didn't expect to be put in bed with the Lib/Dems.
So until there comes a time when the Tories can enter a true right-wing party there is only one party left available at the moment, and that is UKIP.
I don't know what their other policies are but at least they are anti Europe, which can't be a bad thing.
BayBoy1
/// AOG, WHY THE NEED FOR INSULTS???? ///
That is the question I am forever asking, there is no need for them, but some just cannot seem to be able to conduct an argument without turning to insults and name-calling.
By the way 'shouting' is against Site Rules.
/// AOG, WHY THE NEED FOR INSULTS???? ///
That is the question I am forever asking, there is no need for them, but some just cannot seem to be able to conduct an argument without turning to insults and name-calling.
By the way 'shouting' is against Site Rules.
No point in arguing with you AOG .
You twist everything round to suit your own agenda .
You started it by making sweeping statements about Labour voters being "working class" etc and when someone challenges your arrogant attitude you get shirty .
But don't worry I doubt I'll darken the door of your little right wing club any further .
Looking up at you on your very high horse is giving me a pain in the neck .
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You twist everything round to suit your own agenda .
You started it by making sweeping statements about Labour voters being "working class" etc and when someone challenges your arrogant attitude you get shirty .
But don't worry I doubt I'll darken the door of your little right wing club any further .
Looking up at you on your very high horse is giving me a pain in the neck .
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