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Has The Eu Been A Complete Failure?

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ZedBloke | 16:12 Mon 17th Dec 2012 | News
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Nice to see a well balanced, un-biased report ... presumably there wasn't enough room on just one shoulder for the continent sized chip.

How long have you got?
"Mr McKinstry" is a Daily Express journalist. He's bound to think so.
Tell us Mr van Rompuy thinks so and I'll sit up and listen :-)
Lets' put it this way: If Leo McKinstry was American, he'd probably have a Confederate flag for a bumper sticker.
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no time limit AOG, fill yer boots!

He's a known Eurosceptic but I think he does make some valid points.
The Express doesn't like the EU

and this is News?

More specifically the Express' owner "Dirty" Desmond, also publisher of such fine periodicals as "Readers' Wives" doesn't like the EU because they have a nasty habit of looking after the interests of consumers and placing restrictions on people like him!

Also as a matter of interest the man behind the slightly dodgy 'health lottery'
What's the point of rumpy pumpy saying it, he wants our brass and is sitting pretty. Anyone with their snout deep in the EU trough will be pro Europe.

Most of us realize what a sham it all is. Shame soft touch Cameron reneged on the EU vote or we would be out by now.

Whilst garnished the report is factually true. Perhaps instead of resorting to name calling the Europhiles wold like to show they are not, or is the reason for name calling that you know he is right!
No, the EU being a rat infested cesspit is not news Jake, you are right.
The EU is like a cancer spreading to all our organs. The only solution is to cut it out so the remaining tissue can survive.
had we stuck to trade as the original EEC, European Economic Community, i have no problem with that. Now we have laws foisted on us that some might say does more harm than good. The fools who think that by integrating the banking system across Europe are in the a nasty surprise when it doesn't go according to their master plan. Britain has abstained because our financial centre doesn't need to be controlled by any bureaucrat from Brussels. It may well need tighter control, regulation here, but what it doesn't need is to be told how to run itself by people who don't seem to understand finance at all, going how they spend taxpayers money. It hasn't been a total failure, however i see it's failings all to clear, and rarely have i thought something so misguided from it's original intention.
A federal superstate that can control economies will control people in those economies. Spain is in dire financial trouble, Greece has had more comebacks than Frank Sinatra, what happens when they go belly up.
Just how long can you keep bailing them out. I don't see a future for the EU, or at least out part in it. If Cameron had any cojones he would have gone to the country and given us the referendum we want. He won't, of that i am sure.
It can't be a complete failure, it's still around.

Give it time.

Anyway it depends on who wanted what from it. I feel sure it must have achieved something for someone, somewhere.
The European Economic Community (EEC) was an international organisation created by the Treaty of Rome of 1957

isn't this long enough?
Afraid Europe is heading for the economic backwaters whether we are in the EU or not. Go East young man!
The problem is though: a referendum on what?
I'm all in favour of a referendum, in theory, but there's no way there will ever be a referendum along the lines of:
"Do you want Britain to remain in the EU or pull out of Europe completely"
In 1975 the UK voted in a referendum to confirm membership of the EEC. As a firm supporter of the EU I would be the first to admit that what we have now is not the EEC and I sympathise with those who are uncomfortable with that.
In order for a referendum to be fair though there needs to be a realistic and tangible proposition to vote on. What Cameron seems to want is a special deal for Britain, and M Hollande is quite right to point out that that is simply not going to wash. Therefore Cameron's plan is not realistic or tangible and will never lead to a referendum. Perhaps such a plan will emerge, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
When I read through it, it reminded me of the old USSR and to slightly lesser extent as it is going back to under Putin. I spent some short periods there and the distant hand of Moscow was everywhere.

The EU has never been a success and every day it is moving towards more and more centralised control. Cameron can wriggle and squirm as much as he likes but they will never allow us to repatriate any of the powers we gave away.

I thought this part of the article had a lot of validity in it .
#The EU is similar to the old Soviet Union. Political ideology and propaganda are everything; results are an irrelevance. Just as the Politburo was indifferent to the Russian bread queues, so Brussels will allow nothing, not even chronic waste or spiralling debts, to stand in the way of federation.#
"What's the point of rumpy pumpy saying it"

"Perhaps instead of resorting to name calling the Europhiles ..."

Ah, yes. youngmafbog manages to be both pot and kettle in a single post.
Monsieur Hollande is a socialist who is going to cost his country dear in the longer term. His policies are punitive to those who could keep his country afloat in times of hardship. His point of raising 75 percent tax on those who earn over a certain amount will see them leave the country, so the country loses. If the amount wasn't so punishing, that person would be likely spending the rest of their money in the country, win, win. Gerard Depardiu has left, perhaps for some that is no bad thing, but i see this as just a very small example of the absurdity of punishing those you earn more than the average worker. They can and do leave, taking all of it with them. Pretty much what happened in Britain a few years ago.
What we want we won't get which is a full pull out of the EU, time and again we are told that we would sink without trace if that were to happen, well we won't know will we unless it actually happens.
And as been pointed out we have had no vote since 1975 that is an awful long time, and the major changes that have occurred, have changed the nature of the original EEC out of all recognition.
modeller, no i won't let anything stand in it's way, and the grey men are now in control.
that should be, it won't let, sorry folks.
"His point of raising 75 percent tax on those who earn over a certain amount will see them leave the country"

Phrasing it like that makes it sound as if people who earn over a certain amount will pay 75% tax, which does sound punitive, but it is of course, misleading. They pay 75% on their earnings above a certain level, which is not nearly so punitive.

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