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Should we allow Sharia law courts?
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Are the Ministry of Justice right to abandoned an inquiry into the rise of secretive Sharia councils?
Will this decision give rise to an increase in these illegal Sharia councils?
Are the Ministry of Justice right to abandoned an inquiry into the rise of secretive Sharia councils?
Will this decision give rise to an increase in these illegal Sharia councils?
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notasyoung - rein in - saffy's not calling you sad, it's the situation which is sad, when people make statements on the basis of assumptions. A lot of the anger about different cultures is because of lack of understanding (and I don't mean to direct this at you personally either, it's a generalisation - through my work I know that many people are scared of what looks different to their own cultural norms).
Can everyone cool a bit, please? This is a good thread with learning and sharing to be done, it's a good post from AOG generating a lot of discussion.
Can everyone cool a bit, please? This is a good thread with learning and sharing to be done, it's a good post from AOG generating a lot of discussion.
Has everyone taken stupid pills, because there effect seems to be kicking in right now.
To all the "they come over here and try to force their ways on us", I'm going to spell this out slowly...
Sharia Law WILL NEVER SUPLLANTS ENGLISH LAW.
The law of the land will always be English law. You cannot a divorce under Sharia Law. You will still have to go through the formal process of divorcing through the courts.
Sharia Law can be used in addition to existing laws to settle disputes, much in the same way as mediation services.
Sharia Law has bugger all to so with the rest of us. If Muslims want to conduct their lives under the edicts of Sharia councils, then fill ya boots - but they must understand that whenever their rules/decisions come into conflict with existing British Law, British law will ALWAYS take precedent.
So a) why are people being so obtuse and about this and b) why isn't the same level of rhetoric directed to Jewish courts?
Is it ignorance or stupidity. How are the pills?
To all the "they come over here and try to force their ways on us", I'm going to spell this out slowly...
Sharia Law WILL NEVER SUPLLANTS ENGLISH LAW.
The law of the land will always be English law. You cannot a divorce under Sharia Law. You will still have to go through the formal process of divorcing through the courts.
Sharia Law can be used in addition to existing laws to settle disputes, much in the same way as mediation services.
Sharia Law has bugger all to so with the rest of us. If Muslims want to conduct their lives under the edicts of Sharia councils, then fill ya boots - but they must understand that whenever their rules/decisions come into conflict with existing British Law, British law will ALWAYS take precedent.
So a) why are people being so obtuse and about this and b) why isn't the same level of rhetoric directed to Jewish courts?
Is it ignorance or stupidity. How are the pills?
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Safiya I have read the Koran which is not the same as the Sharia but as I understand it if your husband wants a divorce he only needs to say " I divorce you three times " and that's it out you go. On the other hand you can not do the same . You would need his consent.
What puzzles me if you are satisfied with a Sharia marriage why did you also go through with an English marriage?. Many non Muslims just live together so why didn't you. ? Finally I am sure the prophet Muhammed (PBUH ) would not be happy today if he saw how his teachings have been debased.
I am not criticising you , just puzzled. My own daughter isn't married to her partner and is legally in the same position being married under Sharia.
What puzzles me if you are satisfied with a Sharia marriage why did you also go through with an English marriage?. Many non Muslims just live together so why didn't you. ? Finally I am sure the prophet Muhammed (PBUH ) would not be happy today if he saw how his teachings have been debased.
I am not criticising you , just puzzled. My own daughter isn't married to her partner and is legally in the same position being married under Sharia.
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As has been said, Sharia Law in the UK is 'law' in name only – any conflict with existing UK or EU law and Sharia is overruled. As 'TheCorbyLoon' rightly points out, it is an arbitration process that has been enshrined into the UK statutes.
That being said, I am not in favour of these courts as they send a quite clear message from both the Islamic and Jewish communities: they think our laws are (religiously) inadequate and want to impose their own laws based upon their own ancient scriptures and ancient customs.
This is worrying because it shows a literal and moral disregard for UK and EU law. I'm sure we've all heard the deliberately dismissive claim from the Islamists that we in the 'West' follow 'man-made laws' as opposed to the divine laws apparently given to mankind from the Islamic god himself.
The setting up of religious 'courts' (or religious arbitration panels) is divisive. It is a demonstrative indication of the unwillingness of certain Jewish and Muslim people to accept UK law; they hold current UK and EU law in contempt and wish to impose their own view of religious justice on their own religious adherents and ultimately, to us all.
That being said, I am not in favour of these courts as they send a quite clear message from both the Islamic and Jewish communities: they think our laws are (religiously) inadequate and want to impose their own laws based upon their own ancient scriptures and ancient customs.
This is worrying because it shows a literal and moral disregard for UK and EU law. I'm sure we've all heard the deliberately dismissive claim from the Islamists that we in the 'West' follow 'man-made laws' as opposed to the divine laws apparently given to mankind from the Islamic god himself.
The setting up of religious 'courts' (or religious arbitration panels) is divisive. It is a demonstrative indication of the unwillingness of certain Jewish and Muslim people to accept UK law; they hold current UK and EU law in contempt and wish to impose their own view of religious justice on their own religious adherents and ultimately, to us all.
modeller i do understand talaq and iddah and how many times its allowed but it wouldnt be a case of out i go... we live in my house not his......and if we did, as you have read the Qur'an then you will be familiar with surah 2 .... if not then you can see here its explained ..... 2:229 and after..... http://www.submission...ran/noframes/ch2.html
also if i wished to divorce him and applied to the Sharia Council if he agrees then i forfeit the dowry and its finished and done with...if he doesnt agree the Council can issue divorce....
I also didnt say I had english marriage... i made a comment about english divorce in brackets in my first post solely because ive had a similar conversation somewhere else and because i didnt mention this i was set upon by a few people saying i didnt know 'the rules' .... i just thought i would point it out first in case that happened... i also said the only thing english marriage means to me is to be able to put married and wife on legal forms.... i never said i was or wasnt married the english way as thats my business and also wasnt what the thread was about.....
sorry if that sounded abrupt... i tend to ramble so wrote it 'to the point'
also if i wished to divorce him and applied to the Sharia Council if he agrees then i forfeit the dowry and its finished and done with...if he doesnt agree the Council can issue divorce....
I also didnt say I had english marriage... i made a comment about english divorce in brackets in my first post solely because ive had a similar conversation somewhere else and because i didnt mention this i was set upon by a few people saying i didnt know 'the rules' .... i just thought i would point it out first in case that happened... i also said the only thing english marriage means to me is to be able to put married and wife on legal forms.... i never said i was or wasnt married the english way as thats my business and also wasnt what the thread was about.....
sorry if that sounded abrupt... i tend to ramble so wrote it 'to the point'
