Where's The Sense In Voting Labour?

[naomi24]

Labour intend hitting businesses and oil companies with high taxes. The result will be that the cost is passed on to the consumer meaning potential job losses and higher prices for everything, including fuel. The people least likely to be able to afford higher prices are the poor. Since concern for the poor is an on-going theme here, can anyone who is concerned for the poor but is nevertheless intending to vote Labour, rationalise their choice? Where is the sense in voting Labour?

[TheDevil]

I knew he was voting conservative because he said "I would like to call Labour out as liars" and why would he do that unless he was a conservative votor? The guy was a moron. He also thought his 80K a year only put him in the top 50% of earners. Utter Tory.

[dannyk13]

TD, He could have been a LibDem or any of the other parties.You just made an invalid assumption.

[drmorgans]

The world has changed since the 1970s, in particular with the rise of multi-nationals. Then senior managers and chief execs earned more than their staff, but not 100x or 1000x more. Something has gone wrong with global capitalism. Who could justify a chief exec earning, £20m-50m? These aren't entrepreneurs rising their houses and creating new business opportunities, just experienced managers doing a job. It is outrageous that people can work, want to work, yet be in poverty and need state handouts. Our benefits regime is subsidising business. Let's get to a situation where senior managers and their staff are rewarded fairly.

[naomi24]

So what? Why are we discussing 'a man' who has no relevance to this thread?

[TheDevil]

Because Naomi, i'm highlighting how people, even those who make it onto question time to ask their important questions, don't seems to fully understand current tax brackets, but they're trying to slate Labours proposed plans (that aren't yet implemented)

You may not see any sense in voting labour, that may not be because there isn't sense there.

[TheDevil]

Dannk13, before Rob Barber deleted his social media account, it was evident he was a conservative voter.

[naomi24]

Overlooking the fact that the top 1% of earners between them pay one-third of all income tax collected - proportionately an enormous amount - the combined salaries of senior managers and chief execs are a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things. What about shareholders, drmorgans? Investors are the life blood of business and industry. Make investment unattractive and their money goes elsewhere.

[naomi24]

TD, //You may not see any sense in voting labour, that may not be because there isn't sense there. //

Great. We agree. There is no sense in voting Labour.

[drmorgans]

So you think the amount of tax paid in the UK by global businesses such as eBay, Amazon, Google and Uber is fair?

[TheDevil]

"Great. We agree. There is no sense in voting Labour."

My stance regarding voting labour is clear on page one. The is a crux, that is toppling the cons. Labour has the easiest opportunity. Although, I won't be voting for them.

[naomi24]

drmorgans, Where did I say that? You were complaining about senior managers.

[TheDevil]

drmorgans - "So you think the amount of tax paid in the UK by global businesses such as eBay, Amazon, Google and Uber is fair?"

Absolutely not.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: "Yep, just like labour voters are all well acquainted with the Torah. " - surely that's the TorahTorahTorah!

[ToraToraTora]

one thing that labour and socialists generally fail to grasp is that wealth needs creating if you alienate the creators then you get poor. Simples.

[Theland]

Naomi - Thank you for this thread. I hope it does not descend into name calling but remains an exchange of opinions.

From what I have learned, full blooded Socialism never works, and in fact, as more power is taken by the government, so the people become more oppressed.
I direct you to Dennis Prager and Ben Shapiro on YouTube for in depth analysis.

Millions have died during the course of the Socialist experiment in the 20th century, and today we don't have to look far to witness the Socialist disasters.

Venezuela is a typical example.

However, although capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty globally, than any other economic system, we all know that it can be cruel and inhuman.

More on this later.

[naomi24]

Theland, I don't need to watch YouTube. I've seen socialism/communism in action. That tells me all I need to know.

[Theland]

I don't doubt it.
Our history books tell us the same.

[naomi24]

Who will you be voting for, Theland?

[drmorgans]

Actually what I was pointing out is the shift in the way big businesses operate, to the benefit of a few, not the ordinary worker and society in general. Doesn't it worry you that the minimum / living wage had to be introduced to counter exploitative employers and the rise in zero-hours contracts?

[naomi24]

Some employers are exploitative - just as some workers are exploitative - but everything has to be paid for and that's what Labour doesn't seem to understand. Impose unworkable constraints on business - who pays? Small companies are forced out of business taking the jobs with them and big businesses pass the cost on to the consumer - the poor being least able to afford it. That is the crux of this thread.