The Difference Between Being European And Being A Member Of The Eu?

[birdie1971]

I'm constantly amazed by the conflation of the idea of being in the EU and being European. Pro-EU people persistently and deliberately perpetuate the lie that being European equates to being in the EU. I've seen countless celebrities on TV and people in my everyday life make this monumentally idiotic mistake and perpetuate this falsehood. They think that by exiting the EU, the UK is somehow leaving Europe – the very continent that it is tectonically tied to. The mind boggles at these imbeciles. Thankfully, there are like-minded people out there in the world who are great at exposing this pernicious myth and enunciating far more eloquently than I ever could:

https://youtu.be/jmscbGPrkRM

[JimF]

Do you think it would be possible to build a wall in the English Channel? That'd teach these imbeciles, right?

[jim360]

But which side of the debate are *you* on?

[JimF]

Telle est la question!

[birdie1971]

JimF - “Do you think it would be possible to build a wall in the English Channel? That'd teach these imbeciles, right?”

Either you're being satirical or you're an imbecile. I hope it's the former.

[birdie1971]

Jim360 - “But which side of the debate are *you* on?”

I'm on the side of democracy. Which side are you on?

[jim360]

Also on the side of democracy.

[JimF]

"I hope it's the former."

We'll never know...

[birdie1971]

Jim360 -

Glad to hear it. So we leave the EU (ie. the bureaucratic behemoth – not the continent) on the 29th March with or without a deal then?

[birdie1971]

JimF - “We'll never know...”

Well, thanks for clearing that up. Not.

[jim360]

Ah, but this is where we get into interpretation of what democracy is. I disagree with your interpretation, clearly, and I'm confident that I have plenty of justification for my own interpretation.

No democratic decision is ever irreversible, and every democratic decision can be revisited and, if necessary, reversed. That fact doesn't undermine democracy, it strengthens it.

But then, if you wanted a debate, you wouldn't have been so rude and dismissive as you have been in your original post.

[birdie1971]

Jim360 -

How was I, “rude and dismissive” in my original post?
Prey tell. And quote me directly if you're going to make such claims.

[JimF]

"Prey tell"
Pray tell

[jim360]

Wait, do you really genuinely not know?

I mean, do I actually have to go through and quote "imbeciles", "monumentally idiotic", etc etc?

[birdie1971]

Jim360 -

If you are alluding to my use of the word, “idiotic” then I stand by my use of said word. If you cannot tell the difference between the EU and Europe then you are, in my estimation, an idiot.

If that 'offends' you or anyone else then quite frankly I could not care less. Nothing happens to you when you're offended. You're an adult. Deal with it.

[birdie1971]

JimF: “Prey tell”

Ouch. Well played Sir.

:-)

[jim360]

It's not a matter of offence or not, it's a matter of decorum and maturity -- and, for that matter, of Site Rules, which rather clearly differentiate between "lively debate", on the one hand, and "name calling" on the other. If you can't tell the difference then that's a problem for you to address, rather than for everybody else to deal with.

[KARL]

Yes, it is plain nonsense, just like those who voted against Scottish independence did so because they wanted to remain British (as opposed to non-British after independence). Those voters will presumably feel they are no longer European once Brexit is enacted.

[CrapAtCryptics]

We may be "tectonically tied" to Europe but not to the EU. Just because we live next door doesnt mean we have anything in common.

[Khandro]

jim //No democratic decision is ever irreversible, and every democratic decision can be revisited and, if necessary, reversed. That fact doesn't undermine democracy, it strengthens it. //

Name one "democratic decision" which has been revisited and reversed by the European Commission.