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Atheist Coronation Next Time Maybe?
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So I wonder, with a rapidly growing atheist and declining religious population I wonder when we will see an atheist coronation, most likely not in our lifetime unless maybe Edrward is a closet atheist.
It would certainly be a very different coronation ceremony.
To be honest, I don't think royalty should be so tied into religion. of course, Their personal lives, they choose what they wish but I don't think in this day and age it should be a part of our sovereignty. It's just too outdated!
It would certainly be a very different coronation ceremony.
To be honest, I don't think royalty should be so tied into religion. of course, Their personal lives, they choose what they wish but I don't think in this day and age it should be a part of our sovereignty. It's just too outdated!
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Unfortunately the whole concept of sovereignty is tied to the idea of the king ruling by Grace of a God that very few believe in, and a protestant church that no longer needs defending. It would require disestablishment, but then there would be no point to the ceremony being held in a place of worship, could just as logically be held in Wembley stadium
yeah Edward! - this is AB so it doesnt have to make sense
Lucky as if it DOES make sense a mad mod will come along and delete it - so as to you know maintain AB conformity and consistency
Yeah or Andy - they wd need a few extra chairs - one for fat Fergie and an iddle widdle one for sundey 16 y olds.
Luvv-laaay !
Lucky as if it DOES make sense a mad mod will come along and delete it - so as to you know maintain AB conformity and consistency
Yeah or Andy - they wd need a few extra chairs - one for fat Fergie and an iddle widdle one for sundey 16 y olds.
Luvv-laaay !
My thots
Very low quality commentary by standard Beeb fluffies full of the latest up to date marxist post colonial ya-ya.
James Mates ( son of Michael Noli illegitimi scandal Mates) or HIS son took up the microphone in the Abbey and showed he had done some home work
Everyone had missed the dual nature of a coronation - religious and political. so we had a rather ham-handed vanilla choice - was it religious or was it political ? ( rather than half and half). One paper neo marxist historial volunteered "ya didnt need to be crowned..."
The O U ( yup open uni) had done a course 1980-2000 - ideas of kingship. Missed by all and sundry - to what extent are you a king wivvarta coronation?- well my dears - there is a thing called porphyrogeniture ( yup, really), where the heir is the first born child born AFTER the coronation. So clearly coronation in the eastern ( byzantine church) WAS important - contrary to statement - see above
oil for anointment - was 'collected' - well in truth, confected and blessed by the metropolitan of jerusalem - he is a fella and not an underground line bythe way - memo to self: you are writing for AB, those who can read. He is greek orthodox.
I spotted the coronation prayer by Edgar c850, but Mates missed the majority 1016 Edward the confessor and the English translation by the pious boy-king Edward VI. So there was a tradition of ancient ceremony - but unfortunately some of the underlying ideas of the words needed interpretation - Bishops and Anglican divines intoned intercessionary prayer - they prayed for something ( sweeties) to be given to someone else ( the King). This is specifically against he 39 articles and a dangerous Romish habit.
Very low quality commentary by standard Beeb fluffies full of the latest up to date marxist post colonial ya-ya.
James Mates ( son of Michael Noli illegitimi scandal Mates) or HIS son took up the microphone in the Abbey and showed he had done some home work
Everyone had missed the dual nature of a coronation - religious and political. so we had a rather ham-handed vanilla choice - was it religious or was it political ? ( rather than half and half). One paper neo marxist historial volunteered "ya didnt need to be crowned..."
The O U ( yup open uni) had done a course 1980-2000 - ideas of kingship. Missed by all and sundry - to what extent are you a king wivvarta coronation?- well my dears - there is a thing called porphyrogeniture ( yup, really), where the heir is the first born child born AFTER the coronation. So clearly coronation in the eastern ( byzantine church) WAS important - contrary to statement - see above
oil for anointment - was 'collected' - well in truth, confected and blessed by the metropolitan of jerusalem - he is a fella and not an underground line bythe way - memo to self: you are writing for AB, those who can read. He is greek orthodox.
I spotted the coronation prayer by Edgar c850, but Mates missed the majority 1016 Edward the confessor and the English translation by the pious boy-king Edward VI. So there was a tradition of ancient ceremony - but unfortunately some of the underlying ideas of the words needed interpretation - Bishops and Anglican divines intoned intercessionary prayer - they prayed for something ( sweeties) to be given to someone else ( the King). This is specifically against he 39 articles and a dangerous Romish habit.
But hell there is a coronation ritual to get froo !
It meant the ultra prod Edw VI who felt that God ran everything ( and that therefore the English Reformation was fore-ordained and fore-seen) wasnt above praying for things from the Almighty.
God is NOT allowed to say, you godless proles, "O I wasnt expecting that! " or as Einsteen might have said ( but didnt) " when God plays dice, he knows whether it will be a 6 or not"
So the highly jewelled sword of state was passed around - brought to the King and touched, then taken back and given to a server (ordained) who took it to the archbishop
Separation of state and religion - the King gives the blessed thang to an intermediary who gives it to the prelate. The king doesnt get up and say "foo you want dis I fink" and flop it on the altar himself.
Romish altar used and not communion table
Royal Chairs facing to the altar to show the religious nature of the event ( and not facing the people).
Jamming any old crown on the Queens head as an after thought. O you are are here as well - here ! It is the coronation of the King and not the King and Queen. - How did they do the one in 1689? It was not an age of great religiosity.
Did anyone notice the Byrd anthem in Latin? 1580 - the court was strongly anti-catholic. No wonder he was suspected of being a secret Roman heretic.
It meant the ultra prod Edw VI who felt that God ran everything ( and that therefore the English Reformation was fore-ordained and fore-seen) wasnt above praying for things from the Almighty.
God is NOT allowed to say, you godless proles, "O I wasnt expecting that! " or as Einsteen might have said ( but didnt) " when God plays dice, he knows whether it will be a 6 or not"
So the highly jewelled sword of state was passed around - brought to the King and touched, then taken back and given to a server (ordained) who took it to the archbishop
Separation of state and religion - the King gives the blessed thang to an intermediary who gives it to the prelate. The king doesnt get up and say "foo you want dis I fink" and flop it on the altar himself.
Romish altar used and not communion table
Royal Chairs facing to the altar to show the religious nature of the event ( and not facing the people).
Jamming any old crown on the Queens head as an after thought. O you are are here as well - here ! It is the coronation of the King and not the King and Queen. - How did they do the one in 1689? It was not an age of great religiosity.
Did anyone notice the Byrd anthem in Latin? 1580 - the court was strongly anti-catholic. No wonder he was suspected of being a secret Roman heretic.
If this is a standard Ab quip
Held in a Wetherspoons, perhaps?
then i agree mine are a bit wordy.
Joke yeah- you know the bit about the greek psalm sung by er greeks like phil was? well I thought they were gonna say next, and for Phil's German roots, Here are some WWII vets singing the horst Wessel song. hur hur hur - or the Birdie song in lederhosen
you need to know a bitta history to understand that one
You know the two part Alleluia (*) ? I said to the room, allay-----(gap) - - - -- looya! ..... ( thx to Spike Milligan I think)
The gospel choir tenors had a very tricky line to follow a cappella.
well the FIRST part - clap your hands all you people Ps 47
I jerked my head out of my reverie and said
πάντα τὰ ἔθνη κροτήσατε χεῖρας ἀλαλάξατε τῷ θεῷ ἐν φωνῇ ἀγαλλιάσεως
we dug that up in Qasr Ibrim 1980. From around 1100 A, paper and carbon soot ink
Clearly um there was a version before we found it in Old Nubian and greek bilingual.
My link to the text of the ritual of the coronation
ynni will go off her trolley when she reads that !
(*) Yeah dont forget - Pope Gregory the Great said of aryan child slaves on sale at Rome - "who day?" ( but in Latin)
Sunt angli ( they are Angles, domine, Lord)
Non sunt angli sed angeli ( they are not Angles but Angels)
then the Saint went onto ask the name of their King ( the king who he den? but in Latin) and was told Alle
They shall not say Alle but Allleluia ! said the pope
and sent Augustine off to convert them.
Held in a Wetherspoons, perhaps?
then i agree mine are a bit wordy.
Joke yeah- you know the bit about the greek psalm sung by er greeks like phil was? well I thought they were gonna say next, and for Phil's German roots, Here are some WWII vets singing the horst Wessel song. hur hur hur - or the Birdie song in lederhosen
you need to know a bitta history to understand that one
You know the two part Alleluia (*) ? I said to the room, allay-----(gap) - - - -- looya! ..... ( thx to Spike Milligan I think)
The gospel choir tenors had a very tricky line to follow a cappella.
well the FIRST part - clap your hands all you people Ps 47
I jerked my head out of my reverie and said
πάντα τὰ ἔθνη κροτήσατε χεῖρας ἀλαλάξατε τῷ θεῷ ἐν φωνῇ ἀγαλλιάσεως
we dug that up in Qasr Ibrim 1980. From around 1100 A, paper and carbon soot ink
Clearly um there was a version before we found it in Old Nubian and greek bilingual.
My link to the text of the ritual of the coronation
ynni will go off her trolley when she reads that !
(*) Yeah dont forget - Pope Gregory the Great said of aryan child slaves on sale at Rome - "who day?" ( but in Latin)
Sunt angli ( they are Angles, domine, Lord)
Non sunt angli sed angeli ( they are not Angles but Angels)
then the Saint went onto ask the name of their King ( the king who he den? but in Latin) and was told Alle
They shall not say Alle but Allleluia ! said the pope
and sent Augustine off to convert them.
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