Is this man being stamped on?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.guardian.c...tamping?newsfeed=true

The Daily Mail is often accused of occasional being economical with the truth, but on this occasion it seems that the Guardian are over exaggerating so as to get some anti-police message over.

Their headline states YouTube footage 'shows police officer stamping' on man.

I always thought that the definition of 'stamp' was to bring down the foot forcibly.

Unless I have need to visit 'Specsavers' I can only see the Officer kneeling on the chaps head, so as to restrain him while they attached the hand-cuffs.

[chaptazbru]

Sorry, didn't type pudding .....

Stand by what I said don't give a stuff for this man. Care about the police more.

[emmie]

jno, nor is it expected, but as there is no sound, how do we know what the man said, or did.

[Gromit]

chaptazbru

No problem. Looks like insulting people you do not know is easy for you.

[sir.prize]

Quite right em10 - we were not there. But I've read comments that until the officer got him on the floor the 'offender' was conscious. Wonder what happened next . . .

[jake-the-peg]

Frankly we kneel on p people's heads in JuJitsu when applying certain arm locks and this looks pretty similar.

It hurts a bit, on a pavement it probably hurts a lot but as he was later charged with affray it sounds like this was probably proportionate.

*However*

The order of the offense is probably rather important.

If the Police were called to a disturbance found him violent and abusive and arrested him and found cannabis on him that's one story.

If they stopped him for no apparent reason searched him found a small quantity of cannabis on him, and arrested him, and there then he started shouting and threatening them that's another story.

Remember violence does not need to happen for affray the threat of it is enough.

Either of these scenarios could cause the same charges

In one the Police are protecting the community

In the other heavy handed and inappropriate policing is causing an issue where it didn't need to happen.

You have to know the detail to draw a conclusion - and I don't think we know that

[emmie]

perhaps he passed out, smoking spliffs can do that to ya.

[joeluke]

'Is this man being stamped on?'

More like his head is being restrained by the coppers foot

[eyethenkyew]

"It is not clear from the film whether his boot makes contact"

End of story. Yet again, another attempt to put the Police in a bad light. Honestly, why don't saddos like whoever was filming this get a life? There are certainly some countries in this world whose Police Forces are a total disgrace to the people they're meant to be serving - but this is most certainly the exact opposite in 99% of cases.

PS: There's always a rotten apple in any barrel before I'm accused of indulging in a "Police love in"?

[China Doll]

I've watched both links a few times and I really can't see the police being out of order, I actually feel sorry for them for trying to do a difficult job and having all those people with their camera phones out shouting at them.... maybe they saw something before the recording started, I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash one way or another.

[emmie]

China, that's what i think as well. There are bad policemen, as there are bad soldiers, doctors, nurses, but they are not in the majority, just a few bad apples.

[Mosaic]

I've looked at the 3-minute and the slo-mo links and I can't see any evidence for the man's head being stamped on.
He seems to be being restrained, then he seems to play possum. I do not think he lost consciousness - there is still tension in his neck suggesting he's automatically keeping his head as comfy as poss on a hard pavement.

[eyethenkyew]

Well said China Doll. I used to be a serving "Copper" and, in fairness, had some complaints made about me, as befalls the vast majority of Officers, simply because it is so simple for someone to take offence at all manner of Police behaviour. I can assure you, though, as I said earlier, that 99% of "Cops" are only trying to make the best of an almost impossible occupation, i.e. "You can please most of the people most of the time.." etc etc.

No one likes to be told that they're supposedly not doing their job correctly, but if a complaint is genuine and has substance to it, then by all means it must be dealt with satisfactorily. That however is far from the case in many complaints against Police, a massive percentage of which are malicious.

How many bogus complainants would try to do the job in the first place? Not many I can tell you.

[ludwig]

// The Daily Mail is often accused of occasional being economical with the truth //

Surely you mean 'Often prolific with the lies'.