Please Help Me Find More Of These.....
Jokes1 min ago
A simple question.
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Completely hypothetical...
If it were 'proved' that God did not exist, would you feel that your life had no meaning?
(I don't want to get into a debate about what evidence would be necessary to disprove God, I simply want to know how people on AB would feel if the 'no God' hypothesis was somehow proven to be true).
If it were 'proved' that God did not exist, would you feel that your life had no meaning?
(I don't want to get into a debate about what evidence would be necessary to disprove God, I simply want to know how people on AB would feel if the 'no God' hypothesis was somehow proven to be true).
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////Jihad literally means war//// and that is the misconception I was talking about. Jihad means war in the media otherwise it simply means to struggle, to strive or doing your utmost to do the things the way God wants it. God has given me the family and the responsibility to protect them and while protecting them I kill someone then in simple words it is known as self defence. Otherwise why did you emphasize or gave the example in the first place saying that “if the ONLY WAY to save your loved ones would be to kill the attacker?”
According to Muhammad (pbuh) the best Jihad is to strive against ones own self. In other words striving to stay on the right track and avoid doing things that you are not supposed to do. Now would you call that war too?
According to Muhammad (pbuh) the best Jihad is to strive against ones own self. In other words striving to stay on the right track and avoid doing things that you are not supposed to do. Now would you call that war too?
Keyplus – You make some interesting comments but I think you're trying to cheat your way around my hypothetical scenario.
You have stated that, “... while protecting them [my family] I kill someone then in simple words it is known as self defence”
But that's not what I said. I stated, “What if you came home from work one day and found a madman had captured your family and was threatening to kill them? If the only way to save your loved ones was to murder the madman, and you managed to achieve this, would the fact that you have committed murder make you 'bad'?”
I never said anything about a struggle between the two of you. You've assumed a struggle and therefore claimed self defence.
What if there was no struggle and therefore no self-defence? What if you were living in the USA and you knew you neighbour legally owned a rifle with a telescopic scope attached? What if you dropped by your neighbour and borrowed that rifle and quickly and accurately shot dead the madman from across the road?
No matter how you look at that scenario, the rifleman's actions are not self defence – they're murder.
Doesn't the Islamic faith, like the Christian faith, specifically prescribe against murder? Has the man who used the gun and saved his family committed a sin punishable by an eternity in hell?
You have stated that, “... while protecting them [my family] I kill someone then in simple words it is known as self defence”
But that's not what I said. I stated, “What if you came home from work one day and found a madman had captured your family and was threatening to kill them? If the only way to save your loved ones was to murder the madman, and you managed to achieve this, would the fact that you have committed murder make you 'bad'?”
I never said anything about a struggle between the two of you. You've assumed a struggle and therefore claimed self defence.
What if there was no struggle and therefore no self-defence? What if you were living in the USA and you knew you neighbour legally owned a rifle with a telescopic scope attached? What if you dropped by your neighbour and borrowed that rifle and quickly and accurately shot dead the madman from across the road?
No matter how you look at that scenario, the rifleman's actions are not self defence – they're murder.
Doesn't the Islamic faith, like the Christian faith, specifically prescribe against murder? Has the man who used the gun and saved his family committed a sin punishable by an eternity in hell?
And that's your answer is it?
Your quote, “Self defence only applied to defending your personal self. A very true western thinking.”.
Is there another type of 'personal self' other than you? Does 'self' mean something else in non-Western cultures? No it does not. 'Self' means you personally – the word cannot be bestowed upon anyone other than you. You're childishly playing with words in an attempt to get out of the linguistic and logical quagmire that you've blindly wandered into.
When you're hammering a nail and you accidentally hit your thumb do you say, “Ow! I've hit the thumb of my family and others”?. No - because it's your thumb. The thumb that belongs to and is physically connected to yourself.
As for asking me what I'd do in that situation... I despair, I really do. By asking me that question it demonstrates that you haven't got the faintest idea what is being debated.
Your quote, “Self defence only applied to defending your personal self. A very true western thinking.”.
Is there another type of 'personal self' other than you? Does 'self' mean something else in non-Western cultures? No it does not. 'Self' means you personally – the word cannot be bestowed upon anyone other than you. You're childishly playing with words in an attempt to get out of the linguistic and logical quagmire that you've blindly wandered into.
When you're hammering a nail and you accidentally hit your thumb do you say, “Ow! I've hit the thumb of my family and others”?. No - because it's your thumb. The thumb that belongs to and is physically connected to yourself.
As for asking me what I'd do in that situation... I despair, I really do. By asking me that question it demonstrates that you haven't got the faintest idea what is being debated.
Despair. That did surprise me. My answer was what I gave. For me my family is myself when it comes to seeing them in trouble in your given hypothetical situation. When a mad man is threatening to kill my five years old son then I can’t say to my son “Oh my dear son as he is not threatening me so self defence rule does not apply so you better take care of yourself and try saving yourself, and by by I am off”.
Perhaps you would do that and that is the reason you are not willing to give an answer to your own hypothetical question as I believe you do not have courage to accept that.
Perhaps you would do that and that is the reason you are not willing to give an answer to your own hypothetical question as I believe you do not have courage to accept that.
Read the question Keyplus – I asked...
“If it were 'proved' that God did not exist, would you feel that your life had no meaning?”
I then went on to pose a hypothetical question about the validity of murder in certain circumstances. You then post this... “... Perhaps you would do that and that is the reason you are not willing to give an answer to your own hypothetical question as I believe you do not have courage to accept that”
You're desperately trying to be clever by attempting to throw the question back on to me. But unfortunately, you're too daft to notice that this question can only be answered by a person of faith. I am an atheist Keyplus, remember?
If you want to rephrase this moral question in terms that I can answer honestly then do so.
But don't pretend that you've answered the question because you haven't.
“If it were 'proved' that God did not exist, would you feel that your life had no meaning?”
I then went on to pose a hypothetical question about the validity of murder in certain circumstances. You then post this... “... Perhaps you would do that and that is the reason you are not willing to give an answer to your own hypothetical question as I believe you do not have courage to accept that”
You're desperately trying to be clever by attempting to throw the question back on to me. But unfortunately, you're too daft to notice that this question can only be answered by a person of faith. I am an atheist Keyplus, remember?
If you want to rephrase this moral question in terms that I can answer honestly then do so.
But don't pretend that you've answered the question because you haven't.
