community support officers

[sinbadp]

what kind of a society have we become where police officers whether trained or not in rescue would stand on the bank of a pond while a ten year old boy drowns as happened in wigan.

[Dassie]

Just like the Mc Canns ( not ) !!!!!!!!

[amonty1144]

Not trained, shouldn't have gone in.
Remember Blackpool, 4 men died including 3 policemen

"And in 1983 three police officers were killed when they tried to rescue a man who had gone in after his dog opposite Uncle Tom's Cabin."

The kids should have been supervised, the 2 pcso's are not responsible for the deathof the kid, sad as that is.
Not everyone can swim well, they obeyed the rules.

[Dassie]

That's the problem with the UK - we have too many rules and not enough "think for yourself" So if the police chief said jump out the window you would obey him and jump ??? I don't think so. You can't legislate for every single situation.

[natalie_1982]

Maybe they were thinking for themselves, knowing that the area is dangerous, that two men who know the area better than them were in the water already and could not find the boy and so contacted the emergency services to get the correct (police diving?) authorities on their way.

If they are in full kit how much help are they going to be or will they be more hindrance to the two anglers already in the water? Who is supposed to direct the emergency services and care for the girl who had been pulled out of the water?

Still nobody has mentioned where the parents were....

[Dassie]

I didn't say they BOTH had to jump in - that's why they work in pairs. I dare say they could get their kit off as they do when they go home????
Thinking for themselves?... thinking more about themselves than the kid.

[natalie_1982]

And of course you'd know that because you were there

[laurence2]

Dassie.

I cannot see your point.


I've just seen it on the news, and without painting a picture of someone i do not know, the mother gave me the impression that it was quite a regular thing to let her kids go out not knowing where they were.

Its the parents fault 100%


amonty worded it perfectly.

The PCO's are really not to blame, rules are rules weather you like it or not, break the rules and some bigwig would jump down on the PCO's like a ton of bricks, its not nice, but as i said, blame the parents

[redcrx]

In the fire service the guidelines for firefighters are that they do not risk thier lives for lives that are unsaveable. I cant see it would be different for the police.

By the sound of it, the boy was already sadly gone, the fishermen couldnt find him.

and taking the risk that Laurence will complain that Im copying him again, where were the parents?

I cant imagine what the parents must be going through but they appear to be looking at blaming someone for the loss of their son, as parents would Im sure. But the death of the young lad cannot be blamed on the officers

[laurence2]

Totally agree with your post red.

Taking the risk?

I took a risk by posting before you red as i knew you would post about the parents:}

Mystic meg anyone. lol

[redcrx]

in that case laurence, stop posting my words before i get the chance :)

[bundleone]

what a brave little boy to try to save his sister who was only 8,they should have been in their own back garden,they were all far to young to play around such a dangerous lake.

[Little Willy]

What a brave little man this kid was,and i really hope he is posthumously recognised as such with a bravery award.
Don't go blaming the parents,they where just kids out doing something we have all done,playing somewhere we should'nt do..If you want to go blaming parents of something look no further than rich middle class people like the mc' canns, so laurence2 when you go painting a picture of someone without knowing them,don't judge a book by its cover you prick. I bet she never left her kids alone at night to be abducted by some nutter..but she is guilty of letting her kids go out and play..like our mothers did..unfortunately this time with tragic consequences..I will say this R.I.P little man you did your best god bless you.

[sifellis]

"don't judge a book by its cover you prick."

Is there any need for name calling? if you can't use the broad vocabulary to express yourself without resorting to slang and slurs then i feel sorry for you.

I fail to see how the PCSO's are 'to blame' in all of this. If they arrive on scene and there is no sight of the child, and 2 further people at the scene who saw where the boy entered the water couldn't find him, i wouldn't expect anyone to be obligated to dive in and start searching underwater in a cold, murky, rusty-car filled quarry that almost killed the little girl who just went in moments before.

PCSO's are there to enforce regulations laid down by local authorities. Thet are not 'the incredibles' and like it or not, there job isn't to pull people out of burning buildings, talk 'jumpers' down from the roof or to pull kids out of bodiws of water.

I feel for the mother, she's lost one child and almost lost the other. The problem we have in this society is that people always want someone to blame, in this case the parents feel it is the PCSO, despite the fact that the officer in question has no guardian type responsibilities at all.

The whole interview on film is a slur against the authorities and it's a poor show in my opinion. No good could've come out of the whole fiasco. Grieve in peace amongst your friends and family, & don't go throwing **** at other people hoping some will stick.

[amonty1144]

Parents have a responsibility to care for their children, you cannot watch them 24/7 , however it is far easier to ' let them out to play' than to supervise them. My son goes out to 'play but either he 1) stays in the garden or 2) he's at a friend's house or 3) one of his parents supervise his activity.
I'm sorry for the parent's but ultimately they are responsible for the kids not 2 pcso who did nothing worse than turn up to an incident that weren't trained for.

We have entered a blame culture that is scary, parents need to care for their kids, it is not everyone elses responsibility.

[Little Willy]

Is there any need for laurence2 to make an assumption of someone they don't know then sifellis. Any way in my opinion its real police we need on the streets,not PCSO's who are only good for walking round looking at tax disc's on car windscreens.Whether the kid was alive or not they should have tried to do something.

[laurence2]

Little willy.

What an appropriate name.

And to think that you called me a pr!ck.

What a brave little ''man this kid was {that makes sense}

I will stick by my opinion of the mother thankyou very much. she addmitted that her kids went out unsupervised on a regular basis, they are/were still babies you village idiot.

The parents were to blame full stop. Why to i get the impression that your parents allowed you to wander the streets at a young age.

Your name calling means nothing to me, its the typical yellow bellied response i would expect from someone with a username likes yours.

Bit of advice sunshine, don't look down prior to thinking of a username firstly, and don't call someone a pr!ck, in your words you don't know me, think yourself extremely lucky


Lots of love


Laurence xx

[Little Willy]

Your right about my username i've just had another look

[sifellis]

I agree with you willy, we need alot more officers on the street. My father & his wife are both police officers, they love their job and the only time i ever hear them moan about it is when it comes to man power.

[LeMarchand]

As well as the possible reasons given above for the officer's (seeming?) lack of action, it's also worth bearing in mind that had they gone in and failed to save the child then it's quite possible that some ambulance chaser would have told the mother that she had a good chance of suing for damages. (Untrained officers etc).

Unfortunately the American concept of "why work when you can sue someone"?" seems to be far too common these days, to the detriment of society.

[dot.hawkes]

the lad was a school friend of one of my staff, they lived on the same estate, the parents on that estate had been campaigning to the coal board and the council to have the area made safe. kids are kids, as a few have said.