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When I first read this I thought Ye Gods, surely not. Then I stopped to think about it and realised that this would have been how I would have reacted if this was happening in my children's schools, but that was 1984 - 1991, quite a long time ago. This is now 2023 and things will be very different now, so I will talk with one of my daughters about this as she is a...
23:53 Sun 23rd Jul 2023
The BBC Bitesize video linked to in this thread is not the one parents are objecting to.
"After Mr Doherty complained to the BBC, the video was removed from their website."
That one did show erection and ejaculation.
Puberty and sex education does need to be taught in schools in an age appropriate way - how and why the body changes, menstruation, how babies are made and born, consent and how to stay safe.
I don't think any child needs to be taught the A to Z of sex acts in all the combinations possible, certainly not before they are 13.
"After Mr Doherty complained to the BBC, the video was removed from their website."
That one did show erection and ejaculation.
Puberty and sex education does need to be taught in schools in an age appropriate way - how and why the body changes, menstruation, how babies are made and born, consent and how to stay safe.
I don't think any child needs to be taught the A to Z of sex acts in all the combinations possible, certainly not before they are 13.
Sex education? What is that? We never had any sex education. At all. Nothing. We went to the library a few times and looked it up. My older sister told me about girls having periods when I was 13. Sex education wasn't a done thing prior to the 1970's.
It's always been a concern for me as a parent just how much interest children will have in learning these things. Sex is very much an adult thing and educating children about it has to be done at the appropriate time. When is the appropriate time, I hear you say? In my opinion, first year of senior school.
It's always been a concern for me as a parent just how much interest children will have in learning these things. Sex is very much an adult thing and educating children about it has to be done at the appropriate time. When is the appropriate time, I hear you say? In my opinion, first year of senior school.
Or, you might envisage this scenario.
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It is not realistic to suppose that children will know nothing about sex until the "first year of senior school". Better that proper education is done earlier. At our son's (C of E) school it was done in stages.
It would be great to think that all kids had parents who were able and willing to teach about sex in a structured and staged way, but we all know that is not possible. I once asked my mum how come a woman always seemed to be expecting a baby after she was married and never before (lol in my naivete). She looked at me, dashed downstairs (presumably to ask my dad what she should say) and returned to tell me what - I can't remember, but it wasn't the truth.
There's two points here: should it be compulsory and are certain things appropriate? They shouldn't be confused.
It would be great to think that all kids had parents who were able and willing to teach about sex in a structured and staged way, but we all know that is not possible. I once asked my mum how come a woman always seemed to be expecting a baby after she was married and never before (lol in my naivete). She looked at me, dashed downstairs (presumably to ask my dad what she should say) and returned to tell me what - I can't remember, but it wasn't the truth.
There's two points here: should it be compulsory and are certain things appropriate? They shouldn't be confused.
some people don't have sex until they are young adults... others start at 13 or 14. should they? probably not but they do.
i know people don't like to think of that but it is the truth. i doubt very much that 9 year olds are taught about "anal sex" as people keep insisting but i would want to actually see the course materials before i judged them
another article from the mail claimed that the bum-sex "lessons" were actually being taught to 12 year olds... again i have not seen the materials but 12 does not seem like an inappropriate age to discuss that to me because that is well within the age range that puberty tends to start
sex education when done right helps to reduce teen pregnancy, reduce STIS, encourages young people to think about consent and helps victims of sexual abuse to get help... if a school makes progress on teaching these things then it is doing its job correctly and that is more important than a nebulous idea of "innocence" that exists in the minds of "concerned parents"!
i know people don't like to think of that but it is the truth. i doubt very much that 9 year olds are taught about "anal sex" as people keep insisting but i would want to actually see the course materials before i judged them
another article from the mail claimed that the bum-sex "lessons" were actually being taught to 12 year olds... again i have not seen the materials but 12 does not seem like an inappropriate age to discuss that to me because that is well within the age range that puberty tends to start
sex education when done right helps to reduce teen pregnancy, reduce STIS, encourages young people to think about consent and helps victims of sexual abuse to get help... if a school makes progress on teaching these things then it is doing its job correctly and that is more important than a nebulous idea of "innocence" that exists in the minds of "concerned parents"!
Pasta @ 1.09. Thanks for saying that Pasta, I did worry what other Abers might say and was unsure whether or not to post.
Wouldn't it be great if all parents could talk to their children about sex, but we know that isn't always the case.
Fortunately, the daughter I mentioned has a really close connection to her 2 daughters and as a family, including their Dad, they really do discuss everything together.
Wouldn't it be great if all parents could talk to their children about sex, but we know that isn't always the case.
Fortunately, the daughter I mentioned has a really close connection to her 2 daughters and as a family, including their Dad, they really do discuss everything together.
i would like to know exactly what these "anal sex lessons" that the mail is frothing about actually involve! we have no information on this whatsoever and i reckon that's because the truth is boring
if the lessons consisted of Mrs Wrigley making demonstration to the class with a cucumber then obviously that's wrong... i suspect if it was something like this the mail would let us know about it
if it's 1 line on a powerpoint that makes some vague allusion to anal sex then that is nothing!!
if the lessons consisted of Mrs Wrigley making demonstration to the class with a cucumber then obviously that's wrong... i suspect if it was something like this the mail would let us know about it
if it's 1 line on a powerpoint that makes some vague allusion to anal sex then that is nothing!!
when i was at school circa 40 years ago, there was a girl who left to have a baby - at 12
in the 50's chad varah started the Samaritans after a 14 yo committed suicide because she was having her periods, and assumed she was dying, or something very serious was happening to her
my daughter knew about periods in an age appropriate way when she was five and came with me to the service loos and asked loudly why i was wearing a nappy.
All the sex and relationship education she's had from school has been age appropriate (although opinions clearly vary)
i dont think strong religious views are a valid reason for skipping lessons, just as i wouldn't approve of Muslims asking for their children to be removed cause they didn't like something in the British values being taught
in the 50's chad varah started the Samaritans after a 14 yo committed suicide because she was having her periods, and assumed she was dying, or something very serious was happening to her
my daughter knew about periods in an age appropriate way when she was five and came with me to the service loos and asked loudly why i was wearing a nappy.
All the sex and relationship education she's had from school has been age appropriate (although opinions clearly vary)
i dont think strong religious views are a valid reason for skipping lessons, just as i wouldn't approve of Muslims asking for their children to be removed cause they didn't like something in the British values being taught
As mentioned earlier, I found what was taught in first year of senior school was too little too late. I had looked up more that was taught, from books, well before that. And to be honest still found things that surprised me during adult life which I wish I'd learnt earlier. But that seemed outside their scope.
There were pregnant schoolgirls when I was at school, too. They all had the babies adopted, I don't think they were given a choice.
I remember places like the Brook Advisory Centres getting a lot of critism for handing out contraceptives to schoolgirls in the 60s and 70s. The girls preferred to go there because they were frightened the GP would tell the parents
I remember places like the Brook Advisory Centres getting a lot of critism for handing out contraceptives to schoolgirls in the 60s and 70s. The girls preferred to go there because they were frightened the GP would tell the parents
