Muslims who refuse to handle pork, serve booze and now...

[sp1814]

Where do people stand on this story?

I would especially like to hear from those who get angry at Muslims who refuse certain job tasks due to their religion.

Does this story make you feel equally angry, or do you feel that Relate could've done more to accommodate this worker:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/rel igion/3539422/Christian-counsellor-sacked-for- refusing-sex-therapy-for-gay-couples.html

[China Doll]

I work with a psycho-sexual counsellor and while my response is that this gentleman can't carry out his duties correctly if he refuses to see homosexual patients, the counsellors response shouted loudly across the office was 'tit head.' Ah, the logical soundings of the intellectual amonst us...

I would also like to know which NHS doctors refuse to carry out abortions on the grounds of religion? I mean presumably they wouldn't be working in that field if it was a major belief or are we referring to GPs not referring women on?

[Sgt.Rock]

Quinlad,
I've never been in a supermarket run by a Muslim who refuses to sell alcohol.
If Allah is the all powerful God we are told he is you would really think he would have all his followers on the same level.

[China Doll]

Is it not exercising tolerence, moderation, integration in to society and indeed capitalism for muslims to sell alcohol then? You know... rather than blowing sh1t up and all that.

[Kromovaracun]

Quinlad,
I've never been in a supermarket run by a Muslim who refuses to sell alcohol.


Gee, I guess there just can't be any, then...

[Sgt.Rock]

Quinlad,
I've never been in a supermarket run by a Muslim who refuses to sell alcohol.
Gee, I guess there just can't be any, then...

I've yet to find one Kromo, how many do you know?

[Quinlad]

I've been in plenty of restaurants where Muslim owners don't sell alcohol. There's a nice Lebanese one in Olympia.

I don't quite see your point though. Are you saying that refusing to sell alcohol isn't a genuine religious belief because not all Muslims do it?

[olddutch]

What is the muslim religous penalty for selling booze or is it allowed by islam ??

[Lucy-Thomas]

I think there is a more profound answer to this question. It is not a question of muslim versus christian, it is a question of why should religious beliefs have to be considered by an employer.

There are things that I passionately believe in but I wouldn't expect special treatment from my employer because of them.

If I worked in a supermarket and I was a vegetarian (which I'm not) should I expect to be exempted from stacking the meat shelves.

If I was a recovering alcoholic should I be exempted from stacking the alcohol shelves.

I think any right thinking person would answer 'no' to the above two questions. So would I.

Religion is a personal thing. It is what you personally believe in but why should an employer have to pander to your whims or beliefs if it means you can't or won't do the job as good as someone without those beliefs.

I personally think that too much emphasis is placed on religion within the workplace. By all means have your beliefs, but don't expect special treatment at work because of them.

[ELVIS68]

Well said Lucy-Thomas

[keyplus90]

sgt .rock - Nothing to do with me personally. But one thing is clear that if there is not a question here for more than a week to do with Islam or Muslims then AB could go into liquidation.

Few Muslims sell alcohol and few drink too. That is true. But majority of Muslims do not. If we talk about allowed or disallowed then it is not allowed. And it is true that few care about their profit. But majority do not. I can take you to more restaurants of Muslims where they do not serve alcohol than the ones who do, and their business is OK.

Sgt.Rock
Tue 02/12/08
16:14 If Allah is the all powerful God we are told he is you would really think he would have all his followers on the same level.

Yes you are right to say that, but just think if that happens then who would refuse to accept God. Human have free will and have been told what is right and what is wrong. Now what they chose is their choice for a limited period. So enjoy when you can.

[Sgt.Rock]

Sorry Keyplus I don't agree that the majority of Muslims do not sell alcohol. I have not been in a shop run by an Asian (Muslim?) that does not sell alcohol.
There is a huge contadiction with their beliefs.
If humans have free will, why are things such as dogs, pork, alcohol and stringed instruments taboo in the Muslim religion?

[Quinlad]

A huge contradiction with their beliefs?

Sunday is the designated day of rest for Christians. I know loads who ignore that and get on with their jobs.

Not all of them though.

Jonathan Edwards refused to compete on Sundays for several years. Kaka and Jermaine Defoe aren't so fussed. Pretty sure they were all Christians though.

[Oneeyedvic]

I have not been in a shop run by an Asian (Muslim?) that does not sell alcohol.

Are all shops owned by white folk Christian?

[olddutch]

What is the Islamic religious penalty for Muslims who sell Alchohol ??

[legendis.god]

Lmao at Sgt rocks stupidity.
So are all these ASIANS Muslim then?
Aren'T there Asian Hindus and Sikhs?


Im off to Alis star of bengal.Great curries.
Is he a muslim or a hindu?
I neither know nor care.I JUDGE HIM ON HOW HE IS TO ME NOT ON HIS RELIGION.


Sadly there will always be people who do not.

[Sgt.Rock]

leg end - I did not state that all Asians are Muslims, hence the use of the question mark.
Now please go back to posting your inane, childish nonsense in chatterbank.

[keyplus90]

I think sgt.rock can only differentiate enough between Muslims and Sikhs as few people did in USA after 9/11 and killed few Sikhs believing they were Muslims.

However I think sgt is talking about Off Licence business. But still I would say that majority of Off Licences are not owned by Muslims and still after that I am not saying that Muslims aren�t selling alcohol at all. I did say that yes few Muslims have this temp life more important than hereafter. That does not mean they are right.

You talked about free will and pork, dogs etc. So these are two different things.

First one is the permission or choice and yes in that regard Islam does not allow pork, then comes the free will. And you are free to chose if you accept this ruling or not. Compare it with law about cigarette. On the box it says that it is injurious to health and that is ruling or warning, but people are free to buy if they want to. But if they end up with cancer then they can not blame that no one warned them. Same is the case with pork etc, that you consume if you want to but at the end you will have to be answerable.

But in the end simplest scenario is that if you do not believe in God, and his rules then why are you worried about his punishment, for you nothing exists.

[gelda]

Why don't Muslims eat pork and what's this about dogs ?

[Mozz71]

Its like that woman who famously refused to grant a marriage licence to a same sex couple. If your beliefs stop you from doing your job as you're paid, find a new job.